You can't escape the influence of the Brod published (and edited) works on the culture generally, however much you try.
umm...ok? if this is a workaround to "...and therefore, there's no ethical question in the reading of something whose author desired that it not be published" I don't really think it works. If a guy steals a dollar from his friend and later on I'm on the corner begging for quarters and the thief gives me one I don't feel culpable for the theft. BTW have you got a quarter
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
dying wish of the slash-and-burn mod style godfather
xp
― CGI fridays (Edward III), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
also it's going to be p much impossible for artists to make this request in the present via the pirate bay
― 乒乓, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
aero you claim to hate max brod so much i am beginning to think you secretly love him. it's like moonlighting.
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
perhaps stet could run a custom script that would auto replace every strongo post in the history of ILX with a choice GARU G post
― 乒乓, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
this is all setting up my three-volume "Tribute to Max Brod" mixtape
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
He didn't mean "burn them" burn them, he meant save them to a dvd-rw
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, November 9, 2012 11:35 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
like one day we're gonna walk in and find you and max brod making out and reading sections of the trial to each other in colonel klink voices.
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure david carradine's dying wish was for someone to burn the rope, mop up his spooge, and arrange him nicely on the bedspread but things don't always work out for dead people
― CGI fridays (Edward III), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
I've only read Blanchot's Death Sentence (and love that book very much), not his theory...my POV comes from what artists often say about their own work.
I can't see how K was the best or "only real" judge - best judgment in this case would have been destruction of the work as soon as it was completed, read over and judged to be unfit for consumption of the entitled population at large.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
aero, do you find Brod "annoying"
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
"it would have been so pointless to kill himself that, even if he had wanted to, the pointlessness would have made him unable." "just shut up and ravish me, you virile czech glory hound."
― idiot man-child (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
given all the awful shit people's heirs/executors tend to do their ancestors' works max brod hate seems perfectly reasonable to me
way too many xps
― Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
"burn my head" - ted williams to his children"haha no im gonna freeeze it" - his children
― 乒乓, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
hahahaha
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
I don't really think it works.
No, I'm just pointing out the reality that even if you wish to keep your hands clean by respecting Kafka's wishes and hence foregoing any reading of the Brod published works, you still live in a society where the ripples from those works have affected countless writers and millions of readers.
― Un monde où tout le monde est heureux, même les riches (Michael White), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
I always like to think about the counterfactual that this sitch raises - like how many works of art in fact have been burned, works of art that could have changed the world as much as or more than kafka's unburned work
― 乒乓, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
my favourite thing about that Elif Batuman piece is this Etgar Keret quote:
“The next best thing to having your stuff burned, if you’re ambivalent, is giving it to some guy who gives it to some lady who gives it to her daughters who keep it in an apartment full of cats, right?”
― of course you end up shazaming yourself (c sharp major), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
underrated kubrick aspect ratios
― CGI fridays (Edward III), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
how many works of art that are not dramatically burned but just left to moulder in cupboards
― of course you end up shazaming yourself (c sharp major), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
how many works of art never leave the artists' ~brain~
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
unborn zings
― buzza, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's not really...true at all? at least no more so than "a thief stole something and then bought something with his proceeds so if I participate in the economy in any way the ripples from the thief wash up upon mine briny shore" or something
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
everything is connected
― 乒乓, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
how many chillwave bands were started because of a whiney g. weingarten post on ILM
ALL OF THEM
― of course you end up shazaming yourself (c sharp major), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
burn whiney g. weingarten
― 乒乓, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
Ashton Kutcher travels back in time kills max brod and burns all of kafka's work
― buzza, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
The Cockroach Effect
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
aero perhaps you should move to china where the government will be very very happy to burn your work for you
― 乒乓, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
that's nice of them
― markers, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
I was getting into it in high school like most people and then as I got into it I started reading the supplementary stuff in the anthologies about how he wanted it destroyed and I thought about it some and thought "you know what, fuck this, this shouldn't have been published." It seems personally kinda shitty to me to read stuff that the guy who wrote it explicitly did not want to exist, so once I'd thought that q through I stopped reading Kafka.
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, November 9, 2012 11:16 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i recommend graduating from high school
― flopson, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
being an artist means never having to graduate from high school
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
http://thinkingclub.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/sark.jpg
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
BURN ALL NOVELS AND STORIES
― CGI fridays (Edward III), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
"learn to watch snails" wtf kind of advice is this
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
乒乓 is a winner itt
― polish your turds for beer and hugs (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
"take lots of naps" this seems to be more "how to deal with being super high" than "how to be an artist"
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
y'all Brod defenders know that the work Kafka left behind was unfinished, right? that doesn't sway you one way or another?
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
take moonbaths
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
I don't support the burning of any art ever, Brod otm
― polish your turds for beer and hugs (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
"you are innocent" THIS ISN'T EVEN ADVICE, IT IS A DECLARATION
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
Imagine yourself magic?
― Un monde où tout le monde est heureux, même les riches (Michael White), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
I would say we should start a poll but honestly it would just turn me into a simmering ball of distracted rage
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
imo it was a dick move of Kafka to have asked this of his friend
― flopson, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
PLAY WITH EVERYTHING
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
irl lolz
there's certainly an aspect to this that is akin to having amazing, mindblowing sex with the corpse of the person who kept telling you "no" while they were alive and wearing provocative clothing
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Friday, November 9, 2012 4:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
brb, jackin'
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, November 9, 2012 4:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― tylerw, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
― flopson, Friday, November 9, 2012 5:22 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he had TB at the time tho
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
y'all Brod defenders know that the work Kafka left behind was unfinished, right?
Not just in not burning the work but in editing and ordering the chapters in several works, Brod is eventually a posthumous (and unathorized) collaborator with Kafka.
― Un monde où tout le monde est heureux, même les riches (Michael White), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
i think its only right that anything said under the influence of TB should be legally invalid
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Mike_oldfield_tubular_bells_album_cover.jpg
― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 November 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link