the totally insane true story behind the 1970s film and book Sybil

I really need to read this book

It's really good. Now that I've read two of her books, I can say that Debbie Nathan has expert organizational skills. She knows just how much background info to balance with narrative and historical context. I might read her book about pornography next.

The only complaint I have about SS is that it was written in 1994, so there are some questionable opinions about PTSD in there, and feminism, but she usually contextualizes those pretty well.

Has anyone dug through the 1986 Meese Report?

omg INDICTMENT is on netflix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B6dbLT0ZKQ

that clip is only 16 sec btw

(that's Scorsese's McMartin case courtroom drama starring Henry Thomas, James Woods, and Mercedes Ruhl)

Sorry! It was produced by Oliver Stone. Who doesn't get those two confused amirite?!

― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, November 2, 2012 1:19 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark

Best part was how I posted this to a thread polling a poll and it was an error and omg this is what happens to my brain when I get so bored that I resort to book reporting.

One more thing and then I'll shut up

Ray Buckey (played by Henry Thomas in this movie) was the one who received the majority of the abuse accusations; a significant part of the prosecution's argument (and questioning) relied on a single detail about Ray, which was that he rarely wore underwear and that sometimes kids could see his dong through and under his shorts.

(I love this thread. Here goes my entire afternoon.)

satanic commando

Ok one more thing

This is a 2005 apology from one of the McMartin accusers, who is now a grown up normal person who claims he has nothing but positive feelings about his preschool

The first time I went to CII [Children's Institute International, now known as Children's Institute, Inc., a respected century-old L.A. County child welfare organization where approximately 400 former McMartin children were interviewed and given genital exams, and where many were diagnosed as abuse victims], we drove there, our whole family. I remember waiting ... for hours while my brothers and sisters were being interviewed. I don't remember how many days or if it was just one day, but my memory tells me it was weeks, it seemed so long. It was an ordeal. I remember thinking to myself, "I'm not going to get out of here unless I tell them what they want to hear."

We were examined by a doctor. I took my clothes off and lay down on the table. They checked my butt, my penis. There was a room with a lot of toys and stuffed animals and dolls. The dolls were pasty white and had hair where the private parts were. They wanted us to take off their clothes. It was just really weird.

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/oct/30/magazine/tm-mcmartin44

The irony that these kids, who had a completely normal childhood experience until then, were taken to a room where someone looked at their butts and genitals as they were surrounded by weird dolls with hairy privates and told to take off their clothes

Just for posterity's sake, this is from that video of the woman with the haunted toaster

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mddx6uMZO41rtmp17o1_500.jpg

Her toaster isn't possessed. She just has the toasting level up too high.

her bread has a serious weevil problem

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vpuJOIF7G8g/SzvtxEnFICI/AAAAAAAAAqg/Ckk4ilBbfFM/s400/Screen+shot+2009-12-30+at+8.22.03+AM.png

Bo Weevil Bo Weevil
I hope ya boyn in hell

I'm watching Indictment right now! It's ridiculous.

It's pretty good! Would recommend.

Just figured I should update --I finished Debbie Nathan's porn book. It was very informative and educational in tone. I learned some things even though it definitely seems to be intended for youth educational purposes.

She provides a balanced look at the industry from historical, economical, philosophical, and various other perspectives. Por ejemplo

Furthermore, feminist scholar Lisa Duggan notes that porn degrades women no worse than do “non-sexual images of gross violence,” or “advertising images of housewives as dingbats obsessed with getting men’s shirt collars clean.” The real problem isn’t porn, anti-censorship feminists argue — or even fashion and laundry soap ads. Instead, it’s the economic and cultural institutions that keep women as second-class citizens and lead to those insulting images.

I blame the patriarchy.

speaking of witch hunts, here is a disgusting new development

this poor man

The harassment has turned Rosen’s life upside down, and made him feel things once foreign to him, like searing rage. “I was sitting in a restaurant the other night and these guys who were part of a car club came up to me and shook my hand and said, ‘you know, you’re a hero to me.’ He had seen me on TV. So I said thank you. Then I’m sitting there I hear this other guy, ‘oh yeah, it was a conspiracy.’ He was a big guy,” he said.

“I tell you what, I had evil thoughts. I wanted to go over the first guy, and he had about 15 big guys with him, and say, ‘I’m going to go talk to this other guy — just watch my back.’ And then I wanted to go over to other guy and get up in his face and say, ‘see those guys over there, just know they’re keeping an eye out for me.’ And they I wanted to say, ‘I want to see what you look like. I want to see what a person who generates this kind of evil shits looks like. I want to look at your face and tell you you’re an asshole,’” he said.

He didn’t do it, of course. “But it tells me how rageful I am. And I am rageful about it, both for the children and for the mother of the child who came to my house looking for her son and I wanted to look at this guy and I wanted to just fucking decimate him. That’s my rage.”

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/15/this_man_helped_save_six_children_is_now_getting_harassed_for_it/

"the burgeoning Sandy Hook Truther movement"

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

They were at it within a day of the shooting, the hashtag 'False Flag' was v requently used. It's so sad to me the way there's this entire shell Web that preys on the mentally ill, proposing all these ideations and reinforcing, reinforcing, reinforcing them. I can't take it sometimes.

Unfortunately I heard about that already. Feeling kinda bad for the family & friends of truthers of all sorts, just a little. I mean they didn't necessarily sign up for the crazy.

i know! can you believe it?! i keep telling myself that i want to keep my eye on them, and esp after reading about the SRA movement, but it just keeps getting scarier and scarier.

one thing i will say is that i don't think these truthers, whatever sort they are, will reach the levels of legitimacy that the SRA movement did. those were different times. now it's just kinda sad/shitty if they're your fam. then it was affecting the law!

that's what freaks me out tbh

You know more about that than I do! I just heard about the Newtown conspiracy quacks b/c of someone who knows the family of a v visible quacker and basically can you imagine in a not-huge town how no one would want their kids to play with your kids anymore or invite you to things or speak to you at meetings? Time to bring some smack-down/therapy on your spouse at that point imo.

totes agree. it would suck, but at least they're not determining public policy or medical treatment.

also false flag huh?

http://www.reviler.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Rangda-False-Flag-2010.jpg

Can't believe tylerw and others think that's not a k-awes cover design

i don't like the western font of the title but otherwise i like it

can't say i like anything about truthers though -- is one of them (let's be honest prob SRB) a full fledged nutjob?

it's always been hard to tell where the line gets drawn, with Richard and his brother, between noise-trolling/idea-jazz and actual convictions. If you look at SCG song titles it's like an encyclopedia of crank terms and there have been some onstage rants that were explicitly truther. SRB is a practitioner/scholar of magickq, that's def not a tongue in cheek thing, I dunno...

yeah honestly i'm not entirely sure what to think. i guess i would rather think of myself as a curious tourist of that land but not a permanent resident and/or taxpayer. an observer but not a participant.

i maintain that the james woods movie is pretty entertaining, if not only as a historical curio of some pretty different times that weren't really that long ago/have been within my lifetime.

One man has taken it upon himself to catalog all of the theories at SandyHookHoax.com. By way of credentials, creator Jay Johnson explains: “I am the only person in the world to solve LOST,” he writes (yes, the TV show).

^^ From one of the linked articles

Does this guy think life is like a video game where if you learn how to spot objects that look out of place, you can find all the clues to solve the case? It's like what's behind the PUA stuff, too--that with the right set of words and gestures you can control outcomes/other people. To me it signifies a need to have the "right answer" in order to rule out chance or uncertainty, and an inability to tolerate open-endedness or a variety of events or anything being unknown. That's probably a form of mental illness somehow or maybe just being ill-adjusted to life in our time (arguably a lot of overlap there).

I don't see this as being the same impulses that generated the SRA scare tho.

I guess I'm looking at the need to point fingers and assign blame for things that may not even be true, ie witch hunting. I don't really care how people organize their goals in life, however weird they are. It's the blaming and paranoia that interest me, I guess.

Like someone can bust PUA moves til they pass out, but it's not going to affect my life (it's also not going to happen to me, but w/e). HOWEVER - Someone decides that I'm a satan-worshipping serial rapist because I work at a school with a day care and don't have kids...that's an entirely different thing I think.

To me it signifies a need to have the "right answer" in order to rule out chance or uncertainty, and an inability to tolerate open-endedness or a variety of events or anything being unknown. That's probably a form of mental illness somehow or maybe just being ill-adjusted to life in our time (arguably a lot of overlap there).

This mechanism comes in a variety of strength levels and IMO is at the root of at least 85% of the things I see people say on the internet and probably a hefty chunk of the opinions people express irl too. THE modern intellectual vice IMO.

xp Hm yes. I was thinking of it from the point of view of the believer--that if they notice all the right cues and put them together they can have secret knowledge of something that will empower them to blame a diabolical party for bad things happening--instead of ever having to accept that PEOPLE DO BAD THINGS FOR UNKNOWABLE REASONS/BAD THINGS HAPPEN or that the causes are myriad and complex and require sweeping social actions to change. It's so much more exciting to be the privileged holder of secret knowledge about the government, a nice big target that doesn't require you to do anything about it except be comfortably outraged.

I'm having some trouble connecting that to the whole culture of SRA accusations maybe just because they seem SO FAR OUT to me and I can't get around the religious part.

Sounds like what you're both talking about can be described as a potent and toxic cocktail of arrogance and ignorance.

I am trying to say that combine that with political/legislative power and THAT is what scares me.

plus the major active ingredient FEAR

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xp Arrogance and ignorance, yes, perfectly out.

i feel like we basically have a whole political party devoted to harvesting this energy today though, i mean legislation does get written based on OMG Shariah Law!!! etc. They have just abandoned the Satan theme bc it is too quaint now.

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God damn Apple autocorrecting what I type to try and frustrate and silence me well IT WILL NOT WORK I tell you. #appletruth

i feel like we basically have a whole political party devoted to harvesting this energy today though, i mean legislation does get written based on OMG Shariah Law!!! etc. They have just abandoned the Satan theme bc it is too quaint now.
Scariest people next door imo

That's just me, though. I can see how other people wouldn't be as afraid of them.

i guess that what makes me apoplectically angry is the thought of basically sane if radically cynical ppl deliberately preying on this in order to get viewers/clicks/clout. I know G Beck is no longer on FOX but his little tutorials on there were such unbelievably blatant schizotypic-baiting it made me want to never stop vomiting. And he is IMO a sane person, doing untold damage to ppl's personal lives because he can, and it's easy, and it's I guess fun.

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the ppl next door are fucking terrifying!

Man that salon thing has me in the worst mood, sorry guys

Yes, I agree. I'm sorry for bringing it up. This is what I do. I make everyone feel worse! Working on that.

Does anyone want to join my nuclear disarmament club it's really fun?!