The Shining

So I'll try it from memory. Grady--that guy. (Remember him in Barry Lyndon, not sure of what else.) Is the bartender in Paths of Glory (+ something else)? Stuck after that.

yes, Grady (Philip Stone) is also Alex's dad in ACO; Joe Turkel (Lloyd the bartender) also in PoG & The Killing.

Statuesque, silent nude woman appears in at least four Kubrick movies iirc.

I believe Vivian Kubrick appears onscreen as a hotel guest, right? She was also in 2001 as Floyd's daughter.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WC4-p9fZCoo/TVwHBiPjj4I/AAAAAAAAAUo/veEfYfHUWCM/s1600/diane_arbus_identical_twins_1967.jpg

I'm sure you all know the reference but here is the inspiration for the Grady girls. Diane Arbus

I think the 3x actors question is generally linited to "credited roles." ie fuck trainspotters :)

Scariest moment for me is woman in bathtub.

Just a guess, based on process of elimination and the fact that he gets a line and you can clearly see him: the "Nice day for a party" guy with the axe in his head.

A little sketchy on details--no axe, inexact quote:

http://horrorfanzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/the-shining-25.jpg

a guess for what? There are two actors and you got them.

Actually, he hides his face behind a fan and giggles, "Good day, sunshine."

Right--I was thinking three actors, but it was three films.

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Scariest moment for me is woman in bathtub.

otm.

See, I'd read the book and was utterly expecting that one. One of my high-school buddies remembers someone kicked his seat when the Grady girls appeared.

Also, it's funny that in Room 237 someone suggests that Barry Nelson's hairpiece makes him look like JFK, cuz one of my friends on opening night referred to BN as "Reagan."

http://www.angryalien.com/0504/shiningbunnies.html

I really enjoyed this at the cinema. My reservations aren't new (many expressed here already, but):

- soundtrack is REALLY intrusive. Characters will be walking around looking at things NBD, and there's this screeching orchestra playing all over it. I'd have taken out the majority of the music TBH.

- Scatman Crothers - why have him go all that way just to get stabbed the second he walks in the door?

- Nicholson is cartoonishly devilsome and while he plays it well, a little subtlety would have been nice.

Also, why does he say "here's johnny", when he's been known as jack all the way through the film?

lol

Scatman Crothers - why have him go all that way just to get stabbed the second he walks in the door?

A big question at the time, esp as it doesnt happen in the novel. If you accept the interpretation of the themes of racial/religious genocides, then having it happen to a black man fits, I suppose. Also, it subverts norms and expectations.

lol britishes. "Here's Johnny" was the intro for America's best-loved late-night TV host.

Yeah, the expectations of novel readers combined with it being the one legitimate (cheap) jump scare moment.

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- Scatman Crothers - why have him go all that way just to get stabbed the second he walks in the door?

it's cruel, but the build up of him as this shining ray of hope and goodness --> instantly killed as soon as he walks into the hotel is kind of devastating and reinforces the hopelessness of the situation. works for me in a horror context tbh.

^^ I was going to make this post but deleted it

haha. i always make it a point to say things that other people have decided aren't worth saying.

Plus Kubrick knew what a laugh it would lead to on The Simpsons eventually.

Also, it subverts norms and expectations.

1916 otm; that part's great.

so i was thinking about this in the shower earlier, i think halloran the character in the novel is a somewhat racist conception but is he that in the movie

haha, sorry about the noobie/britishes questions. i suppose the film sets up Crothers as being the shining deus ex machina of the film, gonna save the day by sneaking up on Jack at last minute.

I was kind of disappointed with the ending. I'm sure the first time I saw it Jack actually nearly catches up with Daniel but he doesn't come close. He just kind of runs out of steam and has a sit down. I guess I like the realism - Jack is still very much a human being, despite whatever demons are possessing him, so falling down the stairs right at the beginning of his psychotic episode is enough to weaken him considerably.

circa1921

also i enjoyed the conversation about jack's novel in the savage detectives

halloran's literally a magic negro, but i think it takes the pious deadness out of the cliche that he totally fails to save the day; plus the qualities that make us invest our hopes in him aren't that he's magic (there's a magic white boy too) but that he cares about danny and is rigorous about making phone calls.

and yeah the person/force that kills him is set up as not straightforwardly racist but in the grip of a really old strain of homicidal imperialism that goes a lot deeper/uglier than just standard movie oh this guy hates black people. i dunno if being attentive to that absolves your movie from drawing stereotypes; i guess it doesn't; but, yknow, i feel like the movie's racial consciousness is good.

I watched EWS and The Shining recently and i'm pretty sure Tome Cruise is playing Jack Nicholson playing Dr. Bill, esp in the argument w/ Kidman scene. Same phrasing and everything.

ok, i haven't seen either in awhile but that's unimaginable. Maybe just cuz both characters ask a lotta questions?

kubrick had never seen 'the tonight show' and didn't know what 'here's johnny' meant either!

yes, def a Jack improv

I'm not sure anyone has ever linked this quite extensive interview w/ SK by Michel Ciment.

Stephen Crane wrote a story called "The Blue Hotel." In it you quickly learn that the central character is a paranoid. He gets involved in a poker game, decides someone is cheating him, makes an accusation, starts a fight and gets killed. You think the point of the story is that his death was inevitable because a paranoid poker player would ultimately get involved in a fatal gunfight. But, in the end, you find out that the man he accused was actually cheating him. I think The Shining uses a similar kind of psychological misdirection to forestall the realization that the supernatural events are actually happening.

I hope the audience has had a good fright, has believed the film while they were watching it, and retains some sense of it. The ballroom photograph at the very end suggests the reincarnation of Jack.

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/interview.ts.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwcfDa0gEPQ

LOL awesome! I just watched that clip the other day. I'm really trying to get into Johnny Carson recently...

the three huge interviews with the kube on that site are amazing, maybe the best director interviews i've ever read anywhere.

Yes! There goes my evening...

Did you have all those extras pose for the last shot?

No, they were in a photograph taken in 1921 which we found in a picture library. I originally planned to use extras, but it proved impossible to make them look as good as the people in the photograph. So I very carefully photographed Jack, matching the angle and the lighting of the 1921 photograph, and shooting him from different distances too, so that his face would be larger and smaller on the negative. This allowed the choice of an image size which when enlarged would match the grain structure in the original photograph. The photograph of Jack's face was then airbrushed in to the main photograph, and I think the result looked perfect. Every face around Jack is an archetype of the period.

i love the idea that the narrative progresses from "this is all in his head" to "this is REALLY happening."

God does watching vid of Ed McMahon without his glasses kinda freak me out

Watching Paths of Glory, i can totally see Kubrick faking the moon landing. This movie is ambient!

Anyways this movie is great, it's like Dr. Strangelove mixes with 2001.

omg R00m 237. kind of crazy. it succeeded in making me want to rewatch every kubrick movie though, so that's good.
conspiracy theory stuff aside (because, seriously, um... entertaining but o_O), i was really into the reading of the film via kubrick as auteur, what comes up thematically and technically in the shining that also comes up in different ways in his other films. and i love the hotel as labyrinth. but i was into that idea before seeing this. well, i guess there wasn't much if any new 'film theory' stuff in this, but it was kind of cool to see the film deconstructed over and over again.

i feel like this movie will never not be scary to me