― nu-mongrel (kit brash), Saturday, 13 January 2007 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 14 January 2007 06:39 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway I'm not sure what I think of it.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 15 January 2007 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link
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― R Baez, Monday, 14 May 2007 19:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I only got into this last year after reading some of Tom's old books. I found that I preferred Beto's stuff straight away but only this year did I get round to buying the collected paperback Palomar stuff (Heartbreak Soup and Human Diastrophism - a third one is out much later this year featuring Poison River, annoyingly left out of the second volume causing some confusion when readint the final section of that book, and Love And Rockets X tho i don't think i want to wait that long).
So I'm a little obsessed with the Palomar saga at the mo and am disappointed that I can't find any decent analysis or heavy discussion of it online tho I will look harder. I'd love to see a proper timeline of events as much as anything else. A lot of things at the end of Luba Conquers The World/Farewell Palomar/Chelo's Burden (confused by this being final chapter title as it was the title of L&R issue 3 Palomar story also?), particularly why Guadalupe hated Jesus so much.
So I have to read Poison River and then the post-Palomar Luba stuff. Is the Luba's Comics & Stories series good too?
― blueski, Friday, 13 July 2007 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link
The scene where (kinda spoilerish) Khamo finds Chancla
i didn't get why she looked so sheepish/embarassed as opposed to like completely hysterical/fearful - super creepy tho
― blueski, Friday, 13 July 2007 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link
i read g hernandez's 'sloth' last night. i'm not sure i have anything to say about it.
― thomp, Friday, 13 July 2007 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Luba's Comics & Stories series good too?
Peculiar - it's kinda Gilbert at his most rarefied and self-indulgent, in my opinion. There are any number of fantastic moments throughout (I've caught up with these via the LUBA trades), though Beto doesn't play anything remotely resembling catch-up with the reader (i.e. Be sure to know your Palomar history).
That really resonated with me - it didn't follow logically yet felt completely right. I feel it's a massive gamble on Beto's part that payed off enormously.
― R Baez, Friday, 13 July 2007 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Peculiar - it's kinda Gilbert at his most rarefied and self-indulgent, in my opinion.
SELF-CORRECTION: See GRIP. But the LUBA books don't fit the "user-friendly" tag, either.
― R Baez, Friday, 13 July 2007 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
I think looking at this comic now, the context of how different it was to pretty much everything else at the time might be lost. It's popularity really opened the doors for a lot of different things.
The early Mechanics stories were real cool. Later on the Palomar stuff became the best part of the book.
The early Mr. X comics that the Hernandez brothers did were really good. They got ripped off by the publisher and left.
― earlnash, Saturday, 14 July 2007 02:43 (sixteen years ago) link
The Palomar reissues have left me slackjawed at how good they are. Yay to Fantagraphix at making this cheaply available again.
― forksclovetofu, Sunday, 15 July 2007 05:23 (sixteen years ago) link
They got ripped off by the publisher and left.
They later allowed that they didn't really get ripped off, just treated the way that most cartoonists do when dealing with undercapitalised companies running at the edge of their cashflow - it was just that that had never happened to them before.
― energy flash gordon, Sunday, 15 July 2007 05:56 (sixteen years ago) link
That last issue of New Tales from Old Palomar was weird.
― Jordan, Thursday, 19 July 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Not mind-blowing weird, just kind of odd and not that good?
― Jordan, Thursday, 19 July 2007 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link
SEE: That story where Bruno Goya had his eye ripped out by a bird. "A Trick Of The Unconscious", I think.
― R Baez, Friday, 20 July 2007 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link
was that story ever followed up? some sort of goverment experiment?
― blueski, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link
SEEEEEEEEE: That story where Gato, Pintor, and someone else (I forget) get a glimpse of the future - NEW TALES IN OLD PALOMAR #2, I thiiiiiiiink.
― R Baez, Monday, 23 July 2007 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh I see, I'll have to try and find that old storyline (collected somewhere in Palomar I assume??).
― Jordan, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link
(collected somewhere in Palomar I assume??).
Yup - 's a grand little tale that's basically a Casamira solo (she also gets hints of her own end).
― R Baez, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I bought a friend of mine Heartbreak Soup recently; I figure it's a good way to be remembered for life.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 06:33 (sixteen years ago) link
read the two new(ish) collections the past couple days. most of the locas stuff i'd read before, most of the palomar stuff i hadn't, or had forgotten.
palomar's chronology seems seriously whacked. it seems like tonantzin's introduction ought to show up a lot earlier, for example. i kind of got the feeling that g.h. had invented a lot of events we see in flashback - israel's dead sister, or luba's seduction of heraclio - a long time after the stories in which they are set, so he could rewrite everyone's motivations.
which is of course very very superhero-comic.
― thomp, Friday, 27 July 2007 21:50 (sixteen years ago) link
kind of got the feeling that g.h. had invented a lot of events we see in flashback - israel's dead sister
That's in "Chelo's Burden", the very first story! I'm serious - look in PALOMAR and see! Girl missing teeth looking directly at viewer, w/ Israel in the back. Dude!
― R Baez, Friday, 27 July 2007 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link
shit, you're right! it doesn't get mentioned in the next two-fifty pages, though.
the page before the one with the dead sister has jesus in prison, too.
oh well. i was starting to like my theory of hernandez as an inveterate retconner.
― thomp, Friday, 27 July 2007 22:03 (sixteen years ago) link
my theory of hernandez as an inveterate retconner.
Don't completely dismiss it - he clearly intends Gato, when he first introduces him, to be at least in his thirties, yet (if you go by NEW TALES/OLD PALOMAR #2) he's supposedly a teen, I think. He does something similar with Borro, the pre-Chelo sherrif - he goes from incompetent corrupt drunk (in HEARTBREAK SOUP) to a morally ambiguous, somewhat suave, and cunning detective (in ECCE HOMO/HUMAN DIASTROPHISM).
― R Baez, Friday, 27 July 2007 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link
so, wait, amazon.co.uk lists the second volumes of the new reprints as already out? eh?
― thomp, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 23:57 (sixteen years ago) link
that's because they came out last month
― energy flash gordon, Thursday, 2 August 2007 08:54 (sixteen years ago) link
the titan books ones are for september. i dunno whether to order the american ones off the internet or to wait as i) an exercise in patience and ii) an exercise in anally making sure my copies have spines that match, sigh.
― thomp, Thursday, 2 August 2007 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link
finally got the new woodring
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 November 2022 18:54 (one year ago) link
A third sale: 20% off all pre-orders today, which includes the next digest/Library collection (the first in five years!), the next Psychodrama Illustrated, and a Fritz b-movie triple-feature.
― more crankable (sic), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 02:38 (one year ago) link
Now this I like: https://www.fantagraphics.com/products/love-and-rockets-tote-bag
― "Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Friday, 2 December 2022 20:30 (one year ago) link
Fantabucks sale in two weeks: plan accordingly
― least said, sergio mendes (sic), Thursday, 9 March 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link
Enjoyed the Kayfabe interview with Gilbert, it was funny when he said there was a period when he used to read Alter Ego to wash away a reliably depressing issue of Comics Journal.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 6 November 2023 18:45 (four months ago) link
Sorry this is random, but when I saw this great rendering of the "Luma" character in profile, I thought – "wow, that's pure Jaime":
https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/111/492/064/429/156/895/original/eef14dfe3115e58c.png
(Idk who specifically penciled it; this page says "Cover Artists: Curt Swan • George Klein • Ira Schnapp)
― This field is required (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 18:24 (three months ago) link
my copy credits Curt Swan and George Klein; would guess Swan was the penciller
― famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 19:08 (three months ago) link
Schnapp is the letterer
― bae (sic), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 23:30 (three months ago) link
A new “scholarly book” is coming: https://www.fantagraphics.com/products/reading-love-and-rockets
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Saturday, 17 February 2024 00:24 (one month ago) link
Also coming, and enormous: https://www.fantagraphics.com/products/love-and-rockets-the-sketchbooks
― bae (sic), Saturday, 17 February 2024 02:46 (one month ago) link
time to pick up the above, or the First Fifty, or hundreds of other books for sorta-half-price
― bae (sic), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 23:35 (one week ago) link
^ eight hours left
― bae (sic), Sunday, 24 March 2024 22:47 (four days ago) link