Will Oldham/Palace/Bonnie Prince Billie: S&D

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sorry morris pavilion i dunno where'd you'd get that info. palace releases are notoriously taciturn when it comes to credits (i find this one of the more annoying aspects of his schtick actually).

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

also what does that guitar part on "lion lair" remind me of (the one that goes up and down the scale pretty straightforwardly)? something about the song's lazy tune reminds me -- pleasantly -- of a lot of half-remembered late 80s/early 90s amerindie records, like maybe the last replacements record, or... crap, i cabn't put my finger on it. any help?

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i think happy will oldham is more interesting than monomaniacally depressed will oldham (ok, he was never quite so monochromatic as all that, but...)

there's always been a protean quality to his music, which often goes overlooked largely because of the superhuman insularity of his misterioso hillbilly shtick. people tend to link him with these old balladeer types, which a certain prominent vein of his music does encourage. but i hear--sublimated and reconstituted beautifully in the last 3 records--a whole bunch of less-austere influences (sorry mark) there, like a thousand singer-songwriters and alterindie bands.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 05:04 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm talking about the music more than the words, which remain pretty sui generis.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i know this is just a misreading, but i sort of like how i always forget whether "holly" is the name of his girl or an adjective modifying "home."

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

also i can't think of many songwriters who would risk a song that is: verse. verse. lead-up. chorus. end. full stop. ("raining in darling.") awesome.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 05:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't wait to work my way up to those Bonnie "Prince" Billy albums, now that I'm on an Oldham kick. (I just ordered the "Hope" EP and Guarapero.) I hope I continue to enjoy the new stuff I hear even half as much as I'm enjoying the songs on Lost Blues. (Today's pleasure: the little ascending guitar hook on "O How I Enjoy the Light.")

I don't know why I never really responded to the other Palace albums (though I like some of the songs on "Days in the Wake"). These early singles are just another breed - not just the songs themselves, but the production, the playing, the atmosphere...

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry for overposting. maybe in the year 2041 someone will discover this thread and share my predilection for armchair anaylses of will oldham tunes.

"just to see my holly home" is a very funny song. it's about, i guess, the dark side of the whole "nuclear family" thing--the family has a remarkable closeness, but it comes from denigrating and attacking all others and ultimately locking them and the world out forever. oldham cheerfully places mysogynystic musings next to a kind of idealization of his partner/family. anyway this is a boring exegesis but what makes it work is how oldham finds a peculiar balance b/t silliness and earnestness. the balance wouldn't hold if the song had such an insinuating sound.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean to write, if the song didn't have such an insinuating sound.

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

the Hope EP was my favorite until this recent split with Brightblack (which I STILL don't even own)

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

The "Get On Jolly" EP (with Marquis de Tren) is the greatest thing he ever did. indeed, II-IX from it is one of the most beautiful songs ever written.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

never really got into most of lost blues but the last song (think its the last one anyway) is incredible
also the brute choir

robin (robin), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

the song is actually called II-XV not II-IX

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jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I may have given up on the idea that the things I want from music can be found in anything other than that created under the hand and light of Will Oldham. Been getting loads of live things, and each and every time there's an astonishing version of some familiar song. One version of 'You will miss me when I burn' as a ful band just glides as I hoped I could have the first two Mercury Rev do, given time.

matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

is the get on jolly ep instrumental?

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

no

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

i have very much lost track of mr. oldham in the last two years! i think i will pull out days in the wake before i go to bed tonight.

jess, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link

how is master and everyone? does it continue in the vein of ease down the road??

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Master and Everyone is violently boring.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

col1n did you like ease down the road?

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

something about oldham really reminds of reggae in a way.

jess, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:30 (nineteen years ago) link

the devotional tunes? the scruffy beard? what?

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked Ease Down The Road a lot actually. Master and Everyone is kind-of along the same lines, but it just sounds like a mediocre fake Oldham (Fauxldham? *rimshot*). Have you heard the best-of?

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

no, musically. something about the tempo maybe?

jess, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"madeline mary" off of i see a darkness is pretty much reggae.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

oldham guests on the forthcoming sage francis elpee.

i'm not kidding.

alindall, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i quite like master and everyone.
its more somber than ease down the road i would say, and more sparse, but not as sparse as the palace stuff

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I completely adore I See A Darkness and find Master And Everyone pleasant but just OK.

What should I buy next?

a) Ease On Down The Road
b) The Lost Blues comp
c) Arise, Therefore
d) Not these ones you nut
d) Bugger it, get them all

BTW, I no longer have the indie guilt referred to up thread. I drowned it in the bath tub last week, most satisfying.

piers (piers), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link

c)

PLUS the "one with the birds"/"take however long you want" single.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link

or dude, just read up thread, this has been covered.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Cool, OK - yep just read the entire thread. Ummmmm, thinking...

piers (piers), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I absolutely love Master & Everyone, almost as much as I See A Darkness. It's very Pink Moon - a very heavy man whispering his mind in your ear. I've found it engaging with every listen.

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

d) + the Hope EP

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

will is a very heavy man?

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Will Oldham because on at least 4 different occasions, I've played him in the background while talking to female friends of mine who generally are not into music at all, and they are completely captivated by it. Until I show 'em the beard, of course.

Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, he also played Naive Melody, Life During Wartime, Psycho Killer and Blind, for fuck's sake - Blind!

Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Um, I believe I was supposed to post that in a Talking Heads thread. Still, it would be good if the 'Prince' gave some 'Heads a seeing to.

Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I miss my lost copy of 'days in the wake.'

cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 4 September 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
No love for Joya here? I like it.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Monday, 20 September 2004 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Just bought and listening to Arise, Therefore....hmmmm, dark yeah, interesting. Next will be something more melodic, but have to let this sink in first. Think I'll go with either Ease On Down The Road or Viva Last Blues or Lost Blues comp as mentioned upthread.

piers (piers), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember joya being a disappointment, but it's been so long since i've listened to it....

piers are you looking for a oldham cd to buy next? i'd recommend "i see a darkness" and then probably one of the two "lost blues" comps and then "days in the wake". "master and everyone" is better than "ease down the road," i think, though both are good. i actually find latterday oldham more interesting than earlier oldham even if the records haven't been perfect.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Howdy amateur!!!st - yeah i guess i am! I do have I See A Darkness and Master And Everyone, and while I like the latter, I love the former.

Arise, Therefore is good so far, but only first listen. Based on what you said I think I'd go with the two lost blues comps and maybe days in the wake. Jess also posted a pretty good S&D way upthread including the first Palace album. He has a fun, if bewildering, back catalog to explore eh?

piers (piers), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

to second what Douglas said waaay upthread, there was a time when Palace singles were EVENTS. from the rustic art/photos to how each side complemented the other, to what the new name was for Will ("Little Willy Bulgakov" "Pushkin" etc.), the whole package was mysterious, satisfying to impressionable ears, and they would disappear instantly. at least thru "Every Mother's Son." don't think Lost Blues quite replicates that heady feeling.

BbetaA, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i think ease on down the road is far superior to master and everyone. there doesnt seem to be much meat in either production or lyrics of master like there is to ease on down the road and especially i see a darkness.

tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

did i talk about "just to see my holly home" upthread? i'm in love w/that song

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

you talked about it many times.

i have this theory in which i see a darkness is real late at night and ease on down the road is the morning after.

tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:08 (nineteen years ago) link

you talked about it many times.

well, that makes me feel like a boring old professor, thanks ("yes, mr. amateurist, we've this one already").

that's not a very evolved theory.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link

arise therefore possesses the epitome of w'oldham's essence. david grubbs' piano work makes the album a bold sumpreme.

rsssgnld;s, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

best BPB - Master and Everyone
best Palace Brothers/ Music - Viva Last Blues (though I haven't heard Days in the Wake in forever)

I'm having trouble with BPB sings Greatest Palace Muscic.

Will (will), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I also love Master and Everyone although I don't know that I would rate it higher than Darkness or Road. All 3 are great.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks for that, the "Birdman" thing is nuts.

His new album is terrific, one of my favorites of his in recent years.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 August 2023 15:19 (seven months ago) link

I didn't know he took that Slint cover photo.

Clientless (Scooter's Version) (morrisp), Thursday, 24 August 2023 15:28 (seven months ago) link

feel like the title 'Good Morning, Popocatépetl' is some sort of infringement

mookieproof, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 00:34 (seven months ago) link

new record is great imo

LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 08:56 (seven months ago) link

absolutely, def top tier Oldham.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 14:16 (seven months ago) link

six months pass...

Bonnie "Prince" Billy is headlining Supersonic festival in Birmingham this August/September... I'm hoping this means there will be some other UK dates around that time.

brain (krakow), Friday, 1 March 2024 11:55 (one month ago) link

he’s playing QMU in aug. presale is open

LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Friday, 1 March 2024 18:07 (one month ago) link

Thanks, obviously I'd totally missed that! When was it announced? I blame wretched social media algorithms.

brain (krakow), Friday, 1 March 2024 19:00 (one month ago) link

He also has a small role in the upcoming movie The Bikeriders

bbq, Friday, 1 March 2024 19:07 (one month ago) link

Every now and then I become convinced “Troublesome Houses” is one of the greatest songs ever written.

H.P, Friday, 1 March 2024 21:20 (one month ago) link

H.P otm

also this news today: https://www.instagram.com/p/C3-jBRyunnM/
"ryan daly made this film. i witnessed and nudged. @criterionchannel is now streaming it. the idea was to give audiences a time and space to listen to an intentional grouping of songs, in this case the Bonnie Prince Billy record KEEPING SECRETS WILL DESTROY YOU. it was shown in movie theaters across the western world. i am a card-carrying Criterion subscriber and have found it a tremendous resource for uplift, edification and, at times, escape. we are honored and grateful to have our work on the channel. @dragcityrecords @dominorecordco"

pitted (blue6ave), Saturday, 2 March 2024 05:24 (one month ago) link


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