Jazz in the late 70s / early 80s (jazz goes pop, jazz goes disco)

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Here is another album to file under early 80s skronk jazz:

Ronald Shannon Jackson & the Decoding Society - Mandance

earlnash, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
just picked up Weather Report's "Mr. Gone (78)" from the dollar bin and it's pretty fucking great. the first song "The Pursuit of the Woman with the Feathered Hat" is great, weirdo tribal world music. the second track "River People" that amg disses as being straight disco (this album is probably rated their lowest), is fucking great. it's got an offbeat thump very similar to Jay Dee. and then "Young and Fine" has a Tribe Called Quest Sample in it. granted some of the keyboard tones or the sax start to sound a bit smooth jazzy, but overall, this is a pretty good non purist jazz album

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Never heard this one, will pick it up. I've seen it in many a dollar bin. There was a Weather Report thread not too long ago where I big uppped the wrong record, I meant to profess my love for 8:30.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i've had 8.30 sitting on my desktop for over a month. i should listen to it i guess?

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 01:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Definitely listen to it! The reason I mention it is it came out around Mr. Gone, maybe the same year.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I wanna hear more of this stuff. I got Sun Ra's "UFO" off the On Jupiter album a while back from Banana Nutrament and absolutely loved it. I quess On Jupiter and Disco 3000 have been re-mastered and re-issued on vinyl only. Man I wish they would release these two on cd. Can anyone compare "UFO" to any of the stuff discussed above or to the other tracks on On Jupiter, Disco 3000, or Languidity?

matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i've only heard Lanquidity out of those three and it's closest in comparison to In a Silent Way or some of Lonnie Liston Smith's stuff. not real upbeat/disco beats, more downtempo/almost rare groove type stuff

team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i recently got Donald Byrd's "Thank You for F.U.M.L. (Funkin' Up My Life)" and it's pretty awesome. not even the closest relation to "jazz". it's almost like a Funkadelic album. a bit more smoothed out. very disco. kinda like a Tom Browne's album with "Funkin 4 Jamaica". i guess minus the smooth jazz tendencies.

team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

disco 3000 = not disco!

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i've decided grover washington jr = the man

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

So is there anything else in Sun Ra's catalog that is similar to "UFO" then?

matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i've decided grover washington jr = the man

Hmm, interesting... where else could you talk about this?

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

So is there anything else in Sun Ra's catalog that is similar to "UFO" then?

Nope, nothing so overtly in the disco vein. Ra's late 70s output is fairly diverse-- there are solo piano joints and freeform synth freakouts alongside the groove items. Re. the latter, I dropped some suggestions in a recent article for Deep Water.

doug watson (solid air), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Doug. Great article. I love that track so much, I wish he'd explored more in the same vein.

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

does anyone have those sun ra disco tracks to ysi? "Constellation", "UFO"? thanks. should i search out Sleeping Beauty, On Jupiter, Strange Celestial Road, and Other Side Of The Sun? my tolerance for crazy free blowing is pretty low these days (mostly why i've never really gotten into sun ra)

team jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Ornette, and have heard just about everything that he's done, but Dancing In Your Head is truly awful.

Brakhage (brakhage), Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:05 (eighteen years ago) link

u r out of yr mind. one of my favorite albums

team jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Jason, here's a YSI of "UFO." Don't know about any of the other stuff, but I also have a low tolerance for crazy free blowing and this has none of it. It's part of why I love it and part of why I wanted to know if there was anything else like this in the Sun Ra discography. I guess it sounds like maybe the answer is no, sadly. I love, love, love the bass in this and will probably shell out the money for the vinyl re-release just to have a better sounding version of this song. Anyway, here it is:

http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28HL211JB8FE231G3M8MB7X41P

matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

jaxon - I know, it actually doesn't sound that much different from some of his other records. You'd think I would like it, but there's something about it (Jerry Garcia?) that I don't like - it just lies there and burbles dissonantly. It took me a long time to 'get' Coleman but that one just eludes me.

Brakhage (brakhage), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Jerry Garcia isn't on this record. he's on Virgin Beauty. That record has a lot in common w/Dancing In Yr Head, but way worse

team jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know if "sleeping beauty" and "strange celestial road" necessarily totally fit into the discussed 70/80 jazzboogie vortex, but they are definitely the Sun Ra records that have stuck w/me the most as my interest/tolerance for 'freer' stuff has waned, and i would say definitely worth seeking out. "Strange celestial road" in particular is possibly my favorite Ra record, the production is very cool and there are some very nice 'straight'-er marshall allen solos, IIRC

b'angelo, Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for the tips B'angelo. I'll have to check those out as well.

matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

jaxon - maybe that explains it, I was mixing the two up - thanks

Sleeping Beauty and On Jupiter never made it to CD, did they?

Brakhage (brakhage), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to Virgin Beauty again this morning and yeah, it's definitely got that lethargic Grateful Dead vibe about it. This was recorded after Ornette's live gigs w/ the Dead, right? It's also surprisingly accessible, relatively speaking. "Lies there and burbles" seems a fair enough descriptor.

Sleeping Beauty and On Jupiter never made it to CD, did they?
ArtYard did vinyl pressings of both Sleeping Beauty and On Jupiter. No legitimate CDs exist yet.

doug watson (solid air), Thursday, 2 March 2006 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I know 1986 hardly qualifies for the early 80s, but I picked up "Mudfoot" by The Leaders (featuring Lester Bowie, Chico Freeman, Don Moye & Cecil McBee, along w/ 2 others I can't think of) the other week and found it to be quite enjoyable.Minor 80's slickness but still energetic, with the last track on side 1 sounding like something off "Another Green World". Anyway, well worth $2.99.

Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Thursday, 2 March 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know if this article is completely appropriate to this topic, but it does include a few enthusiastic comments about some of the records that are.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Sun Ra, "Sleeping Beauty," title track, ysi

b'angelo, Friday, 3 March 2006 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's my lil mix of what I call
'Yacht-Pop': Ubersmooth Coastal Jazz/Pop/R&B circa '80 - download or stream

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link

rawsome. do you have a tracklisting?

do you dj around the bay?

team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

tracklisting here. & yeh.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 3 March 2006 09:11 (eighteen years ago) link

uh... HERE!

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 3 March 2006 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link

shoot. http://www.nonchalance.com/music/jrktrx.gif

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 3 March 2006 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link

that Yacht Pop comp was cool. i'd never heard that Lee Oskar before. definitely tracking that down. you should upload that to the DJs post your mixes for download thread and tell them it's some banging techno.

team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"Sleeping Beauty" is one of the best tracks i've heard in a long time. very wonderful. how's the rest of the album?

team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

you know, I'd have to listen again to fully remember, I haven't spent a ton of time w/it. I don't recall any of it being drastically different in tone/style, sort of the same nice drowsy comfortable groove that is a little out but not too far. 'sleeping beauty' is def. the standout, though, probably my favorite june tyson/ra track, at the least

b'angelo, Friday, 3 March 2006 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

also, this prompted me to re-dig out 'sunlight,' which I think is going to mean that most of my weekend is going to take place on Magic Herbie Island

b'angelo, Friday, 3 March 2006 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link

God you guys are tempting me, this is exactly the kind of stuff I am craving lately but know nothing about. Keep talkin'.

Can anyone recommend stuff with piano in?

That Sun Ra video on the You Tube thread was insane, in a very good way.

Bimble The Nimble (Bimble...), Saturday, 4 March 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

A bit beyond disco maybe, but Herbie Hancock released a bunch of great electro albums throughout the 80s, with "Rockit" becoming his biggest hit.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 4 March 2006 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.orlyowl.com/nerdorly.jpg

Geir, do you even read? it's right there in the first post, bro

team jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, 5 March 2006 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link

have you heard poopoo lala by ayers Jaxon?

i just spent a coupla hours in the store listening to a bunch of this stuff. i had to listen to "Poo Poo La La". it's fucking hillarious. "let me kiss you on your poo poo la la". like wtf?! who told him that was a good idea for a song?
http://s21.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2JOEKBGNP3WFU32R26V1XC6918

i ended up getting George Duke's "The Aura Will Prevail". a bit fusiony, but the songs with vocals are rad. and there's an MF DOOM sample on here.

team jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, 5 March 2006 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I just picked up Charles Earland's "Earland's Jam" from 1982 featuring Mr. Codpiece Larry Blackmon on it. I haven't had a chance to listen to it (why aren't offices equipped with turntables?), but I'm quite excited. Excited enough to post about it with nothing really to say about it except that it has a royally good cover.
http://i19.ebayimg.com/02/i/07/04/f9/02_1_sbl.JPG

matt2 (matt2), Friday, 23 June 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

So I finally listened to this (I can tell you've all been waiting to hear about it), and I'd just like to recommend that anyone who comes in contact with it stick to side two. Track one on side two "Earland's Jam" is pretty run-of-the-mill, with a boring chant something about Earland and Cameo. The last three tracks "Marcia's Waltz", "Animal", and "Mercy" are fine early 80s jazz-funk-disco jams, and pretty much all you need to hear on this one, although "Laser Lips" on side one is okay. The schmaltzy covers of "Guilty", "Never Knew Love Like This Before", and "You Belong to Me" are not at all necessary, sadly, because something tells me that an early 70s Earland would've done something more interesting with them.

matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

That's not the one with Randy Muller on it, is it?

There's a spectacular Earland track ("Ahead of Your Time") buried on The Great Pyramid, an otherwise middling-to-poor album. I've never seen it pop up on a compilation of any sort. It's on this mix, in case anyone's interested (most ot it's applicable to this thread, though it's mostly early/mid '70s).

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I see no mention of Randy Muller anywhere in the credits. I'll have to check out that mix, it looks great.

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 01:59 (seventeen years ago) link

As far as Earland's best, funkiest soul-jazz, I think you need to go back to the early 70s for Living Black! Earland gets sooooo much out of phellow Philadelphian Grover Washington that it is just amaazing.

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Grover Washington is the man.

This is the best thread I've read in a week. Ahh..

trees (treesessplode), Thursday, 29 June 2006 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I've catalogged a pile of tracks I refer to as "R&B Jazz". It's somewhat Disco, somewhat Brazilian, sometimes a popish ballad, and occasionally, not even by proper Jazz groups. But I wasn't sure what to call that period after Funk Jazz and Fusion, but prior to what was deemed contemporary in the long run.

(1973) John Klemmer - Love Song to Katherine
(1974) Hamilton Bohannon - Thoughts and Wishes
(1974) José Feliciano - Golden Lady
(1977) Earth, Wind & Fire - Runnin'
(1977) George Benson - The Wind and I
(1977) George Benson - The World is a Ghetto
(1977) George Benson - Valdez in the Country
(1978) Eumir Deodato & EWF - Tahiti Hut
(1978) Joe Sample - Rainbow Seeker
(1978) Masayoshi Takanaka - Brasilian Skies
(1978) Roy Ayers - For Real
(1978) Roy Ayers - You Send Me
(1978) Weather Report - River People
(1978) Weather Report - Young and Fine
(1979) Bob James - Blue Lick
(1979) Dexter Wansel - New Beginnings
(1979) Eumir Deodato - Knights of Fantasy
(1979) Eumir Deodato - Lovely Lady
(1979) George Duke - Brazilian Love Affair
(1979) Grover Washington Jr. - Loran's Dance
(1979) Manzel - Midnight Theme
(1979) Masayoshi Takanaka - Radio Rio
(1979) Richie Cole - New York Afternoon
(1979) The Crusaders & Randy Crawford - Street Life
(1980) Eumir Deodato - Night Cruiser
(1980) Hubert Laws - Family
(1980) Masayoshi Takanaka - Finger Dancin'
(1980) Roy Ayers
(1981) Bernard Wright - 'nard
(1981) Masayoshi Takanaka - Rainbow Paradise
(1981) Roy Ayers - Destination Motherland
(1983) Nick Straker Band - Airwaves

PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 29 June 2006 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link

P.S. Herbie Hancock ..."I Thought it Was You"

...was sampled and turned into a Disco House song ala Daft Punk:

(1997) Sex-O-Sonique - I Thought It Was You

PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 29 June 2006 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean this in the kindest way, because your slsk folder is kinda immaculate, but are you ocd?

flëétwøöd måçk (jaxon), Thursday, 29 June 2006 00:47 (seventeen years ago) link

search: ramsey lewis' ramsey from 1979. a1 and b1 are disco. the rest is more on the jazz-funk side. production is excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UVeNg-2YU

Can't wait to get this on vinyl and slow it down the necessary 10 to 15 BPM.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

such a great thread

fascinating era that still feels refreshingly unsettled wrt any standard narrative about jazz, pop, rock, R&B, etc

there's been some reassessment in light of various revivals but a lot of this stuff still seems barely acknowledged esp by jazz types

Left, Thursday, 10 December 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link

Donald Byrd would have turned 88 yesterday. I wrote a guide to his stuff which goes from the 50s to the 70s.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 10 December 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link

ty that is great! I found the sonny rollins one really helpful before

Left, Thursday, 10 December 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link

cracking article.
out of all my jazz era collection, other than The Axe (who was not totally jazz, but hey), Byrd is the main man i come back to the most.
such variety and excellence.

mark e, Thursday, 10 December 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link

Yes, thanks for the Byrding guide; I've only heard "Christo Redentor" and a few other tracks occasionally played on my local jazz station (also remember the Blackbyrds a little bit).
Several thread-relevant albums here: https://daily.bandcamp.com/best-of-2020/the-best-reissues-of-2020 (the Fela prob has considerable jazz appeal too, I suspect). And they're all linked to bandcamp pages: Billy Brooks, Pharoah Sanders, self-funded Shirley Scott, South Africa's Heshoo Beshoo Group, advance bits of which I was totally buzzed by over on Rolling Reissues---the only one I hadn't heard or heard of was Brooks:

Windows Of The Mind Billy Brooks
BUY
GO TO ALBUM
Merch for this release:
Vinyl LP, Compact Disc (CD)

Billy Brooks established himself as a sought after session musician in the 1950’s, rubbing shoulders with Ray Charles, Lionel Hampton, and Cal Tjader. Charles was clearly impressed by the funky trumpeter; in 1974, he signed Brooks to his sub-label Crossover Records, releasing the upstart’s Windows of the Mind LP the same year. Closing song “Forty Days”—famously sampled by A Tribe Called Quest on their enduring classic “Luck of Lucien”—is the album’s best-known track by a wide margin, but Brooks’ legacy runs much deeper than passing references: “Rockin Julius” is a lively flash of fashionable 1970’s funk, while “Jagged Edge” harks back to a more 1950’s film noir style. The album promises glimpses into the various windows of Billy Brooks’ mind. Turns out, they’re all pretty chill, not to mention genius. Album's page adds info that it's co-produced by Charles and featuring such heavy players as Herman Riley, Calvin Keys and Larry Gales. Will check.

dow, Thursday, 10 December 2020 19:10 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

I have a friend who is definitely not a music nerd, but got obsessed with Idris Muhammed's 'Could Heaven Ever Be Like This' as part of his frequent midlife fungi adventures. He wanted more and had no idea where to go, so I made him a big playlist and referencing this thread was very helpful, shouts out.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 15:03 (two years ago) link

Some relevant stuff on this intriguing, recently revived thread, which I didn't recall having seen before: Miroslav Vitous -- Magical Shepard

dow, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 15:25 (two years ago) link

Good call, definitely adding New York City on there. And definitely sampling the break on Aim Your Eye. ;)

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 15:57 (two years ago) link

Cool! Also, come to think of it, way back when Bobby Previte reappeared with Coalition of the Willing(2007) and his group of the same name, I was unexpectedly stimulated to connect with several 70s-80s intersections, trying to balance for new cadets and old hands----archived here:
https://papercomet.blogspot.com/2018/06/

dow, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 16:48 (two years ago) link

& note link from that to Previte's bandcamp, where he's posted tons ov amazers.

dow, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link

Some of the albums I mention are from a bit later than 70s-80s, but in very much the same spirit.

dow, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 17:06 (two years ago) link


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