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psychedelia - a musical movement which held that any pretentious, half-assed nonsense you concocted in the studio was worthy of release, as long as the final mix had been fed through a flanger

Which is exactly why we love it - except the above is a more accurate description of Krautrock... which we love even more

Soon Over Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 5 November 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

The best krautrock - the stuff that is still widely listened to today - is not half-assed. It has an all-important discipline that you don't find in psychedelia. What makes Can great is not Michaels's meanderings, it's Jaki's motorik drumming.

Palomino (Palomino), Friday, 5 November 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"Pretentious" and "half-assed" are pretty subjective terms, nein? Michael's meanderings are every bit as important as Jaki's drumming.

Soon Over Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 5 November 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

but he has come to smash the idols! and make the scales fall from our eyes!

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 5 November 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

El Sabor, your contributions are only fractionally as pithy and intelligent as you imagine. Make your case properly, or shut up.

Palomino (Palomino), Friday, 5 November 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

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Actually, I quite like much of Karoli's contribution to Can. When I refer to "half-assed psychedelia", I'm talking about dire poetry by Tolkien obsessives, interminable feedback experiments, and recordings of acid casualties groaning wordlessly into echo machines while accomplices pluck at untuned sitars.
It's everybody else's prerogative to love that kind of stuff, just as it is mine to describe it as "terrible". All I originally came here to say was that I strongly disagreed with the characterisation of T.O.N.T.O. as "psychedelic music".

Palomino (Palomino), Friday, 5 November 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

interminable feedback experiments, and recordings of acid casualties groaning wordlessly into echo machines while accomplices pluck at untuned sitars

Those all sound good to me

Soon Over Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 5 November 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

is mort garson a psychedelic/lounge hybrid? what else would fall into this category? i want music for sacramento swingers in 1969

*@*.* (gareth), Friday, 5 November 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

> Those all sound good to me

That's okay. Am I allowed to say they don't sound good to me?

Palomino (Palomino), Friday, 5 November 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

No, of course not

Soon Over Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 5 November 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

El Sabor, your contributions are only fractionally as pithy and intelligent as you imagine. Make your case properly, or [...]

you're right, i should be cool like you and make unsupportable arguments about music i have very little knowledge of. and i'm not the one who thinks he's being pithy or intelligent here.

[...]shut up.

no.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 5 November 2004 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

face yer fears, Palomino. Listen to some good music. Labels are for soup cans: 1001 Interstellar Psychedelic Recordings Of The 1960's

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 5 November 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i bought sealed vinyl copies of morton subotnik's Touch and Sidewinder recently. I've never heard them. I'm waiting for the right occasion to open them. Like fine wines.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 5 November 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i was so freakin surprised when i listened to subotnik's "silver apples of the moon". i swear it sounded exactly like autechre

JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

He actually plays a laptop live now. I just read a review of the La MaMa Sounds Like Now festival that he played at. (in the new New Yorker. Sounds like that was a hot ticket. Oliveros, Lucier, Ashley, etc. all the biggies.)

Maria D. (Maria D.), Friday, 5 November 2004 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, my lovely maria was logged in when i posted that. it was me though.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 5 November 2004 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

not that my beloved maria doesn't love the avant garde as much as anyone. she corresponds regularly with Pauline Oliveros's partner at Deep Listening HQ, and she was taught by Alvin Lucier at Weslyan. AND she is pals with Otto Luening's granddaughter!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 5 November 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

> i should be cool like you and make unsupportable arguments about music i have very little knowledge of.

Actually, you're right, and I want to apologise.

I expressed myself poorly to begin with and then kept digging. What I was really trying to say was that I had observed that a lot of music produced under the banner of psychedelia was the product of charlatans and bandwagon-hoppers. But of course, that's true of any genre of music, and to have suggested that insincerity and incompetence are the defining characteristics of psychedelia was completely unfair. Lots of it is very fine: I love stuff like Arnold Layne and In the Court of the Crimson King.

Thanks to Scott for throwing me a line. Some interesting-sounding suggestions from your contributors in there that I'll have a look for, although the list does go to show that one man's psychedelic freak-out can be another man's mildly-trippy rock anthem.

Palomino (Palomino), Friday, 5 November 2004 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

>what else would fall into this category? i want music for sacramento swingers in 1969

gareth, I'm telling, you: Emil Richards - Stones: New Sound Element

(Jon L), Friday, 5 November 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Subotnik's Sidewinder is a tremendous late-night listen, Scott.

briania (briania), Friday, 5 November 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Sidewinder is his creepy atmospheric one.

Touch is my favorite out of all his records. But all his records are great through the seventies: Cloudless Sulfur, 4 Butterflies, Until Spring.

(Jon L), Friday, 5 November 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i didnt like the emil richards that much, it was ok, i prefer tom dissevelt.

i should check out more subotnick

not enough electronicy stuff is hippyish.

i dream of big sur, though, i think i dont like california so much, after all.

*@*.* (gareth), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i wish my name was Kid Baltan.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"not enough electronicy stuff is hippyish."

Joe Byrd & The Field Hippies were! They even said so. I consider both U.S.A. & White Noise pretty hippyish.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

OOOOH WHITE NOISE!!1

i just heard a few mp3s and tried to buy it on ebay for 10$ (GOT FUCKING SWIPED 5 SECONDS TILL THE END!!) but that record is fucking great. weird, hippy, pop songs over synth noise.

JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

jaXoN, are you on slsk. i think, i like your taste, most of all, on ilx at the moment

i was in jaXoNs house recently, i saw gal costa records, but not mort garson, were you hiding them?

*@*.* (gareth), Friday, 5 November 2004 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

though scott seward has great taste. i havent been in his house though, is it as plush as jaXoNs?

*@*.* (gareth), Friday, 5 November 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

My house is small. But cozy. Lots of records everywhere. I do live somewhere pretty though, so the scenery is nice.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 5 November 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

And I don't have Mort Garson's Wizard Of Oz record. But I DO have Meco's Wizard Of Oz record and the great twee/fairytale psych record by The World Of Oz. And I might have a copy of The Wiz.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 5 November 2004 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

gal costa is rad.

doomie x, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link

gareth, check out walter sear - the copper plated intergrated circuit. its ace. if my 'second missing' copy of the circuit arrives in post do you want to do a swap?

i got into walter through cherrystones. he's in a band called PREY with barry 7 ... check out what he said about walter sear

It was madnesss recording an album in New York. We did it down at Walter Seer's studio and he is like an American version of Joe Meek. He recorded the Copper Plated Intergrated Circuit album. Walter is an absolute nut. He would tell us all these mad stories about the studio. He used to do the soundtracks from horror or mondo films from the 70s. The soundtracks were so demented. Very weird people. Walter and his secretary Roberta Finchley. Roberta used to direct all the porn films. She had these shoulders hunched up to her ears and always would greet me as Mr Godsey. Before we left they let us take all these porn movie posters with John Holmes on them and what not. It was great.

They said that the studio was haunted as well, that was one of the reasons we went there. It was the last studio that John Lennon was in before he was shot. And he told us some stories about Mobb Deep and D'Angelo that I really can't relate for legal reasons but they are amazing. Very weird and amazing experience.

doomie x, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm bugging cherrystones to make cdr copies of walter sears horror and porn soundtracks at the moment.

doomie x, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

the legend walter sear. would love to hear more of the music, have never heard 'copper integrated circuit'

http://members.aol.com/searsound/articles2.html

http://www.basichip.com/digitalgold/mp3002b/sear.jpg

http://www.basichip.com/digitalgold/mp3002b/mp3002b.htm

(Jon L), Friday, 5 November 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

copper plated intergrated circuit is the bomb of moog albums. they go for outrageous prices but somehow i lucked out with this one - three quid. the first one i bought was going for 30 american. but that's never arrived. THIS IS THE THREAD WHERE WE DAMN EBAY. DAMN YOU EBAY TO HELL. etc etc.

doomie x, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link

american version of joe meek sounds fantastic. i am playing a lot of joe meek at the moment, mainly the geoff goddard and glenda collins tracks

i'd like to hear this sears/circuit stuff, and i wont say no to any copies of anything!

there is a church in reno that has the most amazing church bells, i think i want a record of that more than anything. it was like a fake version of russian bells, but maybe it wasnt, it was its own thing. its the best sound ive heard since the train station tannoy in calais. have you been to reno?

i need to give costa a go. last time i played a lot of gal costa, i was all into marcos valle, and preferrred him, maybe i wont this time out

*@*.* (gareth), Friday, 5 November 2004 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

the record i have is more brazilian psych with alot of eastern influences - hold on i'll check my record collection...TUAREG. that's the one that's been recommended to me and i bought it blind and was not disappointed.

doomie x, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i have a cherrystones 12" somewhere, from a long time ago, 98? 99? looking back thinking forward, i think its called. its ok, but, if you dont have it, and want it, its yours, doomie

*@*.* (gareth), Saturday, 6 November 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

though its only a promo, picked up in vinyl exhange on oldham st, for a pound

*@*.* (gareth), Saturday, 6 November 2004 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

cool, gareth - email me when you've got the terry durham album. cherrystones, its weird, he was getting in a good spot - the one ep - remedies and symptoms was a good hip hop take of the taking of pelham 123 soundtrack. but i wonder if the early stuff is any good. prey is pretty good and i must say - he is an impeccable dj.

doomie x, Saturday, 6 November 2004 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link


gareth asked me to change her name in the interview - but PHEW she was a busy lady in the seventies...!

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doomie x, Saturday, 6 November 2004 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

what about nik pascal?

*@*.* (gareth), Thursday, 11 November 2004 09:52 (nineteen years ago) link

inform me?

i spent the day yesterday interviewing joey stec. i felt bad because i was really interested in curt boettcher.

doomie x, Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont know, ive never heard nik pascal, i just hear his name mentioned, in proximity to garson, a lot. if hes similar, then i think i would like it a lot

*@*.* (gareth), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

How much of this are you sharing on slsk right now Gareth? I haven't plundered your hard drive in a while so I don't know.

Of the three tracks I've heard, I think Over The Rainbow is my favourite. Who is that singing?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link

'suzy jane hokum', ha. it is rumoured to be nancy sinatra, in some quarters. but i think its just that, a rumour.

*@*.* (gareth), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

hey gareth, i musta missed this thread last week. the only garson record i have is the Electronic Hair Pieces, which as i said upthread i've only listened to a few times.

i'm unfortunately not on soulseek (DAMN MACS). maybe when i get a new computer with more hardrive space i'll get off my lazy ass and try to figure out how to install it (doesn't it take days?)

and one more annoying ebay story. i just won the John Phillips Wolfking record and i paid by paypal. right after i submitted my payment i realized they had my old address. so i corrected it, contacted paypal and contacted the seller. and it still goes to the wrong address. luckily my old building had a front desk that held onto it and i was able to pick it up, but FUCK YOU EBAY

JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone heard that s/t 1970 Head album on Buddah? (Head is some guy named Nik Raicevic.)
Titles: "Cannabis Sativa" "Methedrine" "Lysergic Acid Diethylamide"

As you can imagine, it's trippy as fuck and recommended for anyone into Subotnick, Tonto's Expanding Head Band, or Garson.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Friday, 12 November 2004 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, i thought that was nik pascal?

*@*.* (gareth), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
has anyone heard the madagascar/shoo bird 7?

Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Thursday, 10 February 2005 12:15 (nineteen years ago) link

http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/03/5b/4d/93_1_b.JPG

what is it like? when is it from?

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't really know much about this guy until hearing a few albums of his at work in the last year. We got the reissue of Plantasia in and I ended up picking it up. I can feel this album is going to be my new obsession.

kitchen person, Sunday, 23 June 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Been thinking his stuff badly needs re-issuing.

Your wish is Sacred Bones's command:

https://mortgarson.bandcamp.com/album/didnt-you-hear

https://mortgarson.bandcamp.com/album/music-from-patch-cord-productions

This second one appears to be unreleased/little hard 70s recordings, the first is a straight up reissue of an obscure soundtrack "originally available only in the lobby of the theater at screenings of the movie in Seattle" per the liners.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link

Little heard not little hard but maybe both.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link

Also, apparently vinyl-only (maybe?) runs of Lucifer's Black Mass and Ataraxia's The Unexplained, though maybe other services/labels are handling digital.

https://www.sacredbonesrecords.com/products/sbr3033-lucifer-black-mass

https://www.sacredbonesrecords.com/products/sbr3034-ataraxia-the-unexplained

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link

looks like these will be on spotify too!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

oh man, this alternate take of "African Violet" - always one of my fave Garson tracks - is really everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrnfsbpTH4

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 17:43 (three years ago) link

btw, this is prob worth buying
https://www.sacredbonesrecords.com/products/music-from-patch-cord-productions-t-shirt

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link

Hadn't seen this thread before---speaking of Bernie Krause, he dispenses just enough shadowy particles all around ill wind guitar on The Link Wray Rumble, US issue
Polydor ‎– PD 6025: one of my all-time faves, never on legit CD, although some of it was reissued on the Link comp Guitar Preacher, and maybe all of it could be a YouTube playlist from time to time (found some in his remarkable archive.org stash too). Krause's moments def. quality over quantity.

dow, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 20:38 (three years ago) link

Oh my god, this track is *incredible*. Breaking my heart at the moment, in the best way. Feels almost like if Mort Garson had collaborated with Paul Williams (if Paul Williams were a better singer).

https://mortgarson.bandcamp.com/track/didnt-you-hear

Soundslike, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 09:06 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

brewdog advert

conrad, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 20:15 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

New archival release!

https://mortgarson.bandcamp.com/album/journey-to-the-moon-and-beyond

And get this!

The crown jewel of the set is no doubt Garson’s soundtrack to the live broadcast of the 1969 Apollo 11 moon landing, as first heard on CBS News. That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for Moogkind. But for decades, this audio was presumed lost, the only trace of it appearing to be from an old YouTube clip. Thankfully, diligent audio archivist Andy Zax came across a copy of the master tape while going through the massive Rod McKuen archive. So now we get to hear it in all its glory. Across six minutes, Garson conjures broad fantasias, whirring mooncraft sounds, zero-gravity squelches, and twinkling études. It showcases Mort’s many moods: sweet, exploratory, whimsical, a little bit corny, weaving it all together in a glorious whole.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 16:22 (ten months ago) link

five months pass...

I...did not expect this:

https://mortgarson.bandcamp.com/album/disco-ufo

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 17:08 (five months ago) link


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