Alt-Country - Search and Destroy

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some good aussie alt.c

fibrotown "s/t"
Royalchord's "I gave you a mountain"
hired guns "between here and the night"

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

roger adultery, then what is Americana? This isn't confrontational, I'm genuinely confused and curious. The definitions of folk and country seem more elastic as I get older. I mean, coming from England I used to think I knew what "folk" was. But here in North America, these distinctions seem to be blurring more (folk, country, folk-rock, country-rock, alt-country or y'alternative, Americana, roots, etc). Not just roger, but can anyone help define these, or am I asking the impossible?

David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

Search:
Holopaw on the "indie" tip.
Lucero for alt.country more rooted in the Replacements than the Byrds.

Will(iam) (will), Tuesday, 3 February 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

I have long been on record as stating that alt country is the lamest, blandest, most timid, most whitebread, most arhythmic subgenre in the history of rock, with the possible exceptions of powerpop and indie rock, and except when it's not, which is probably more often than i've usually admitted, though it depends how you define it, i guess.

anyway, here is a review of my favorite recent alt-country record, followed by reviews of two non-alt-at-all country records, the latter of which genre i usually (but okay, not always) much tend to prefer:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0405/eddy.php

chuck, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 23:55 (twenty years ago) link

Moral of the story, maybe: Pub-rock >>>> cowpunk >>>>> alt-country.

unless drive-by truckers count (at least when they play loud.)

chuck, Tuesday, 3 February 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

Everyone on this thread needs to hear the aching lonesome beauty of Jesse Sykes and the Sweet Hereafter's 'Reckless Burning'

Ben Dot (1977), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:04 (twenty years ago) link

The Strange Things are from Australia too. Very nice stuff.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:15 (twenty years ago) link

I would dispute Chuck's assertion about alt-country 100% unless he's referring to the more popular stuff, i.e. latter-day Son Volt, Jayhawks, Jay Farrar, etc. The good shite is essential to anyone's collection.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

I have long been on record as stating that alt country is the lamest, blandest, most timid, most whitebread, most arhythmic subgenre in the history of rock, with the possible exceptions of powerpop and indie rock

Powerpop and indie rock are both brilliant genres. Particularly Powerpop. The entire ideology behind Powerpop is so completely right.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 00:36 (twenty years ago) link

I have long been on record as stating that alt country is the lamest, blandest, most timid, most whitebread, most arhythmic subgenre in the history of rock, with the possible exceptions of powerpop and indie rock

Hee. OK, but that all depends where you draw your lines. I mean, by No Depression definitions, Lucinda Williams and Steve Earle are alt-country royalty. They both have detractors, I know, but it seems like a stretch to call them timid, bland, whitebread -- or even arhythmic (I actually like Steve Earle's country-reggae bits, "Rivers of Babylon" and "Johnny Too Bad"). It's always seemed to me there were distinct schools of alt-country: the Uncle Tupelo/Jayhawks Midwest/California division, and then separate (though sometimes overlapping) circles in Nashville, Austin, Chicago and elsewhere. If you're going to limit the definition specifically to the Farrar/Tweedy school, OK, I can see the complaints (although all those guys have written some good songs, and Mermaid Avenue is a classic on any planet). But I'm guessing that's limiting the definition way more than anyone who actually listens to it does.

Anyway, people not yet mentioned, besides Earle and Williams:
Lonesome Bob
The Bottle Rockets
The V-roys (and Scott Miller solo, especially his first album)
Kelly Willis (I guess her MCA stuff is hard to call alt-, but her more recent stuff qualifies)
Jason and the Scorchers
Lone Justice (especially the first album)

And lots of other things not leaping to mind right now.

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

And Kasey Chambers. And the Waco Brothers. And Randy Weeks. And come to think of it, what's a loud, proud Eagles fan doing complaining about any of this stuff?

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

seriously

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 02:31 (twenty years ago) link

Alt-Country is no better and no worse than any other genre. The acts that lean on the genre generally suck; the acts that happen to be usi9ng the same instruments as a bunch of other bands...they have a chance.
There's some ad that used to run in NoDep that read "alternative country is the only alternative...and the only country!" or some such and yeah, that's a big fucking turn off. But there was a point when this music, or perhaps a handful of artists making this music deserved to have very vocal championeers.

For whatever record exists for someone who posts with a fake name, I don't like a lot of the alt-country superstars like Steve Earle, Lucinda Williams & Ryan Adams. Can't stand 'em! Mainly cuz they seem to believe their own press. Or maybe cuz a bunch of people I think are fuckfaces absolutely fawn over them. So, like, suck-by-association.

Anyway,any music label will ultimately be proven false or redundant unless it is at heart meaningless (the label, like say, crunk or gobot-pop (good-time music made by cars that turn into robots with very few moving pieces).

Huckleberry Heehaw, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago) link

I can respect not liking Steve Earle or Lucinda Williams, but I think including them in the same sentence with Ryan Adams is a little harsh. I know what you mean, though. And Steve and Lucinda have fallen off. Still, for me, I can think of 5 or 10 songs by both of them that can stand up against the best of nearly anyone from the last 10 years.

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 03:52 (twenty years ago) link

Agreed, especially about Lucinda.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 04:43 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not saying they're empirically awful or even bad, I'm just saying that I don't personally get off on them, and yes R.A. is in a different class from the other two, but he's sorta on the list of folks who it's assumed you MUST like if you're into modern Americana/Alt-Country/Roots Rock/whatever.
I do like about half of Alejandro Escovedo's stuff, prefering his rockers to his more gut-wrenching material (which just ain't my bag) and both times I saw him live I was in awe.

Huckadelia (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

>>come to think of it, what's a loud, proud Eagles fan doing complaining about any of this stuff?<<

Well, the Eagles having made better records than Lucinda Williams, Steve Earle, the Bottle Rockets, Casey Chambers, Ryan Adams, Jason and the Scorchers, Lone Justice, Alejandro Escovedo, Wilco, Son Volt, Uncle Tupelo, the Jayhawks, Lambchop, Iron & Wine, and just about everybody else mentioned on this thread *might* have something to do with it. But that's just a wild guess.

chuck, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

The bands I like are good. The bands you like are bad.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, bnw, the bands you like were last seen blowing goats behind the 7-11. The bands I like, they were the ones who brought the goats.

Huckadelphia (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

The Eagles have indeed made better records than Ryan Adams.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

File Ryan Adams under Alt-Shit.

Chris V (Chris V), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

You definitely don't need the prefix in that case.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

True.

Chris V (Chris V), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

Does M. Ward figure into the alt-country label....if so...wonderful stuff.

Chris V (Chris V), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:12 (twenty years ago) link

Nobody's yet recommended Gillian Welch? She wasn't born to it but still manages an air of authenticity about her. And her partner, David Rawlings, whose sheepish yet spot-on harmonies (and exemplary guitar work) cohese their material quite nicely.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

that's one of the things I like about No Depression, they're very inclusive of what they cover.

Huckadelphia (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

They had a cover story on Dizzee a couple months ago even.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

within a limited scope, that is.

Huckadelphia (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

It's good that somewhere there's a space where Janet Bean can get a bit of press.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

Alt.country. Search and destroy.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

>>Actually, bnw, the bands you like were last seen blowing goats behind the 7-11. The bands I like, they were the ones who brought the goats.<<

I never liked the Goats much, myself. Or Lubricated Goat, for that matter. Or Lambchop, though I guess we already mentioned them. Or Lamb, for that matter. Or the High Llamas. I think I like the Mountain Goats okay, though (and not just because John Darnielle might be reading this), but I need to listen to them more. And I definitely think "I'm on the Lamb But I Ain't no Sheep" by Blue Oyster Cult is an excellent song, for whatever that's worth.

chuck, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

(I hope bnw took my goats post in the light-hearted spirit in which it was intended)

Huckadelphia (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

And oh yeah, I don't think I much like Gillian Welch's "partner, David Rawlings, whose SHEEPISH yet spot-on harmonies" do something or other, since she sounds like a lifeless schoolmarm with or without him.

chuck, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

Does zydeco count as alt-country?

Huckadelphia (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

just read this excellent article which is a few weeks old: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/far-from-the-old-country-music-1643705.html

the assessment of alt country at the end rang 100% true for me

Christopher Cross, Thursday, 30 April 2009 11:53 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

yes, Bush totally OTM here, and I think this is well put...

Bush can barely hide his impatience at alt.country's arrogance. "The songs that will survive 40 years from now will have to do, not with their excellence at how they interpreted post-modern Appalachia, but how they interpreted the human condition. And in the end, as much as I'm a huge Wilco fan, no one's going to remember them. They're going to remember Katy Perry's "I Kissed A Girl" – because that story is true. There'll be another girl sitting at a window who's kissed someone and that song speaks to her. And really, (Wilco and ex-Uncle Tupelo singer-songwriter) Jeff Tweedy singing about being lonely and poor and dumped, all these things which he is not...

"There are only so many thirtysomethings who'll emotionally connect to style over substance, which a lot of (modern) Appalachian stuff is. I'm a huge Gillian Welch fan, but she's from Malibu, California. I'm from Dolly Parton's hometown Sevierville, Tennessee. I should be playing what she's playing, according to our histories. Our song "Baby Girl" deals with some sort of human archetype, anyway, a story of the hero. It just rings differently in your bones. Country music is unafraid of that human substance."

BUT...and this is a big but...dude is the heir to the Bush's baked beans fortune! Black pot, meet black kettle...

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 22 June 2009 10:02 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Please can anyone recommend some good and recent alt-country from a UK band? I was asked to import some. I forgot. And I have no idea what's out there anyway, let alone what's new and decent. So I need to raid Amazon, but not until I've had your advice.

Jblujlama (ljubljana), Sunday, 17 January 2010 04:42 (fourteen years ago) link

brinsley schwarz "silver pistol"

Joint Custody (ian), Sunday, 17 January 2010 05:17 (fourteen years ago) link

not actually recent.

Joint Custody (ian), Sunday, 17 January 2010 05:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Sorry ljubljana - i kept meaning to return yr email but I couldn't think of anything. How about Dropkick though?

Ned Trifle II, Sunday, 17 January 2010 09:41 (fourteen years ago) link

What do The Mekons sound like now?

Ned Trifle II, Sunday, 17 January 2010 09:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks Ian, Ned - have ordered the Brinsley Schwartz on the basis that it's old enough to be interesting so scores as many points as something new enough to be interesting. Also got the latest Dropkick. I think the Mekons are already well-known here in the US. Any more thoughts welcome...

Jblujlama (ljubljana), Sunday, 17 January 2010 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Other mandatory U.K. country-rock/roots rock from the early 1970s: Mighty Baby (jug of love album), Help Yourself (first couple albums), Ernie Graham solo album (f'n brilliant) and Cochise (first two albums).

QuantumNoise, Sunday, 17 January 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

In defense of Steve Earle:

Steve is venerated by No Depression by I don't think he should be lumped in with Ryan Adams or even Lucinda in the "timid, whitebread, a-rhythmic alt-country" category that someone described

He's a damn good songwriter IMO

and listen to a song like "Copperhead Road" or "I Feel Allright"

those songs ain't timid, they kick ass!

lukevalentine, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i think my main problem with this genre is that I actually like real good old fashioned twangy country music quite a bit, always have, so most of this stuff sounds pretty diluted for my taste

one thing about this "genre" is that there are people coming at "altcountry" from a lot of different dierctions. some come an indie rock background, some are looking for the next Crazy Horse, some are punks mellowing out from the meat puppets & mekons & black flag, etc

a lot of so called cowpunk bands pretty much just sounds like barbands it seems

lukevalentine, Sunday, 17 January 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

http://www.dixiestreams.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ryan-bingham-junky-star.jpg

this is the cover of a record called "junky star"

listen to it

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 11 October 2010 09:17 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

What's been great in the alt country scene the last few years? Bloodshot's slipped lately but I dug the Paul Burch/Waco's album. It seems like lots of my old faves have moved away from the sounds I loved - Ryan Adams turned into Jerry Garcia while Chris Mills and Neko Case are still making great music but moved away from the country underpinnings.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 7 September 2013 02:27 (ten years ago) link

Phospherescent, Richmond Fontaine

Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Saturday, 7 September 2013 02:29 (ten years ago) link

The Volebeats have been one of the best alt country bands since the 80s. Their self-titled record from a few years back is fantastic.

Here is an older song of theirs, one of my favorites. If you like this, you'll like everything they do.

One of their singers, Matthew Smith is also the singer of Outrageous Cherry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQAYK8PGL_c

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 7 September 2013 14:37 (ten years ago) link

Fred Eaglesmith's last album "6 Volts" has been curing my alt-country jones for the last month.

Heez, Saturday, 7 September 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link

I don't know if he wants to put the work into making Southeastern a bigger label but that would be a cool home for the Bloodshot artists getting screwed.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 21:41 (two years ago) link

That would have to be a bigger label indeed! Meanwhile, I suppose something like a class action lawsuit would be like Bloodshot from a stone---?

dow, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 22:59 (two years ago) link

would accomplish little more than enriching the lawyers i'd imagine

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 23:15 (two years ago) link

Maybe they could use the kind who ONLY GET PAID WHEN YOU DO (true ambulance chasers, but Chicago must have some)

dow, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 23:24 (two years ago) link

With same financial results, but some vengence----maybe whoever defendants might be would settle? They prob don't have shit, unless it's under mattresses etc

dow, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 23:27 (two years ago) link

I'd imagine any lawsuit would instantly throw Bloodshot into bankruptcy, then I'd assume any music rights/publishing would be auctioned off to the highest bidder

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 23:28 (two years ago) link

Reading some of the comments under the Isbell tweet, particularly a couple from people who would know, it sounds like Nan might be the problem.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link

The settlement might well be, at best, "Here's your masters"---but with an auction, as you say----or would those in effect or fact be auctioned too?

dow, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 23:33 (two years ago) link

i love the butthole surfers alt cunt tree song! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is0hVNZJTOU

xzanfar, Friday, 22 October 2021 21:14 (two years ago) link

Rob Miller's such a good writer, even if most of what I've read from him has been during PR crisis times. Would love it if this freed him up to do more of it publicly.

... (Eazy), Friday, 22 October 2021 21:15 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Been getting some emails from the 'new' Bloodshot Records. Let's see if they can recapture the original spirit...

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 10 April 2023 22:49 (one year ago) link


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