Charlatans(UK) C/D

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I pity you both.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 14:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if they're 4th division who is 1st division in their league?

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 14:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If you say Happy Mondays, I really pity you.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

''I pity you both.''

same here dan.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i don't pity you i just hate you

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

with hate I grow stronger.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

See, that's why I'm going for the pity. Aw bless.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

bah.

well if you wanna like post-dylan cobblers then fine mista perry.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Happy Mondays are sooooo much better than the Charlatans it's not even funny.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Actually Ricky it is quite funny.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Happy Mondays

You know the person at work who *always* comes out with the most *obvious* jokes, always parrots the standard line on the issue of day, always gives you 'fun' advice like 'don't do anything *I* wouldn't do'? They're not hateful, quite amiable even, but ultimately.....you'd rather do anything than have to converse with them. Well that's the Charlatans. Standard issue. Ordinary. Does What It Says On The Tin. Fuck them.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

they are quite different bands for fuck's sake. the Charlatans basically started off sounding a between the Stone Roses and Inspiral Carpets, then made the organ their own before going more Dylany/Stonesy for the third album, ending up as more Oasis on 'Tellin' Stories'. dunno what you'd compare them to now but i quite liked what i heard of 'Wonderland' - yep even Tim's falsetto.

the Charlatans are nothing like that Dr C, you're thinking of Travis or Athlete perhaps.

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Standard issue. Ordinary. Does What It Says On The Tin.

ah re-assurance and reliability...

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

does le pinefox like them?

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Have you even heard "Then" recently? Or "You're Not Very Well"?

This is a context/ubiquity issue, isn't it? The Charlatans were never shoved down our throats over here and we weren't inundated with 800 bands doing the same thing unless we wanted to be, ergo some of us in the US have developed very different attitudes towards "the obvious targets".

Also, I think I can count the number of Happy Mondays album tracks that I've liked on two fingers, only I don't actually have any recollection of them. For a good long while Primal Scream and Happy Mondays were duking it out for Most Overrated Singles Band In The UK in my mind, but then I realized that outside of "Slip Inside This House" I thought that _Screamadelica_-era PS was irredeemable shit across the board.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

now you are being just as much a mentalist as the haterz Dan ;)

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the Charlatans are great, and they continue to release fantastic singles. Bless 'em.

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

''You know the person at work who *always* comes out with the most *obvious* jokes, always parrots the standard line on the issue of day, always gives you 'fun' advice like 'don't do anything *I* wouldn't do'? They're not hateful, quite amiable even, but ultimately.....you'd rather do anything than have to converse with them.''

the one charlatans fan i met was a very nice guy. he liked ocean colour scene, paul weller and so on but i conversed with him though i lost touch after college...for me its not to do with the fans but the music just relies so much on that organ and i never feel the others are contributing too much to the sound (this is from listening to a handful of singles, which after listening to them neevr encouraged me to go any further with it).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think the first album is all about the interplay between the organ and the rhythm section; neither one works without the other.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

**the Charlatans are nothing like that Dr C, you're thinking of Travis or Athlete perhaps**

No, I'm thinking of the Charlatans.

I think it is a context thing, Dan, but not an ubiquity thing. Certainly a very useless thing.I mean they're not vile like Primal Scream, they're just not....anything. A bit baggy, a bit Roses-y THEN whooo! Timmy discovers Blonde on Blonde and Sticky Fingers and we get a youth club version of The fucking Rolling Stones fronted by Booby Zimmertwat. I mean did we ever need them? Why aren't people more fucking critical? They didn't even come from Manchester properly. Hell - even the Inspiral Carpets were better.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I cannot fathom the vitriol you're levelling at _Some Friendly_ (that being the album I really know). I'm not a huge fan of the stuff I've heard after they stopped being baggy, but for at least one album I think they were amazing, certainly more consistent than PS, SR or HM.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 21:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm (maybe overly) harsh on bands that meekly follow the market and I(maybe over-)aggressively champion bands like HM who are different, unpredictable and awkward.

It's my way of weeding out the wheat from the chaff. The 'classic or dud' conundrum is how I have always viewed music. Snap decisions, good or bad, in or out. I don't want 'average'. I'll come down harder on 'average' than 'crap'. It's just my way - it's of no importance what I think anyway.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 8 November 2003 13:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

so to you conventional, accessible pop rock with slight nods to indie, dance music and occasionally second-hand soul/blues is either a) average by definition i.e. too much of a diluted process or b) done much better by other bands than tha Charlatans (but who?)

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 8 November 2003 15:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not much interested in any kind of conventional, accessible pop-rock whatever it nods to, but I'm talking about the Charlatans here, not a general *thing*.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Sunday, 9 November 2003 20:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I had a friend in high school who liked the charlatans more than stone roses & happy mondays and I found it bizarre then and find it bizarre now. now it just seems odd that they are or were even mentioned in the same breath or that they actually got more press stateside at the time.

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 20:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
I'm downloading their new album, and so far all I can say is that "High Up Your Tree" is the most gorgeous song they've ever written.

turkey (turkey), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 02:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i agree with above 'then' is the best thing ever. i used to like them more when i thought 'the only one i know' was the stone roses. 'can't even be bothered' is probably better than that new song too. after the seocnd album they became the worst thing ever.

keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 03:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dr C is OTM throughout this thread. I quite like the eponymous album, or a couple of tracks off it at least, plus "Sproston Green", but apart from that they're shite.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

stevem otm

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 02:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I dislike them for personal reasons.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 03:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

*intrigued...*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 04:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

dude probably sees Burgess all the time at his local shop, stinkin' up the place

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
I'm listening to the eponymous album right now and wondering why I played it a couple of times in 1995 when I bought it then quietly forgot about it. There are a few duff tracks at the beginning, but "Bullet Comes" and "Here Comes A Soul Saver" are terrific.

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 29 August 2004 11:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
Dan and I will defend the first album forever, I know. And "Sproston Green," once again. The live versions I've heard have always been better; pretty much that track will always justify their existence.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Although I do wonder at the personal reasons Spencer cites, though I suspect Stevem is onto something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 March 2005 00:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I was at an upscale bar tonight that I didn't willfully choose to be in with some people I wasn't particularly interested in knowing and I managed to identify after a long period of thought that the song I heard played over the PA in there was one of their absolutely classic b-sides "Occupation H. Monster". Unbelievable. Thank goodness it was finally released on CD years later in the US otherwise...

Bimble, Friday, 13 July 2007 05:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

theme from the wish!

f. hazel, Friday, 13 July 2007 08:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

I did hear "Weirdo" a couple of weeks ago and felt inexplicably happy.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 13 July 2007 14:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

Up To Our Hips sounds awfully fresh lately. I think I underrated it upthread.

dlp9001, Friday, 13 July 2007 15:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

'flower' is a terrific song

Charlie Howard, Friday, 13 July 2007 18:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

Do you know why I don't have the Some Friendly album anymore? BECAUSE I AM A DUMBASS, that's why!

Bimble, Saturday, 14 July 2007 05:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

No! I'm wrong! I just found it in my CD stacks!!!!! WOOOHOO! POLAR BEAR IS FIRST!!

Bimble, Saturday, 14 July 2007 05:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

Charlie Howard is OTM.

HI DERE, Saturday, 14 July 2007 13:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Whoa

Download the new Charlatans album for free

Davey D, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yikes, four songs in and feeling like this is gonna be worse than Simpatico.

Davey D, Monday, 3 March 2008 19:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

Ned you promised to change Norwich to Northwich 5 years ago. sorry to nag and all that :-)

Thomas, Monday, 3 March 2008 20:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

It's a shame the Charlatans haven't produced a truly great album - or at least one that is worthy of the accolade and reissue treatment that some of their 90s contemporaries have received.

But as others have said, they were more than just a good singles band. Most of their albums are patchy but have more good tunes on them than just the single releases.

Can't imagine there's much inspiration left in them now...but always good fun live

Toucan3000, Monday, 3 March 2008 21:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

This album isn't bad at all, though it doesn't much sound like any particular band (i.e. it's a little bit genericly "English" sounding). Was worth the download, and includes a couple of semi-memorable tracks.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 20:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

I came to the realization a couple albums ago that The Charlatans haven't been any good at all since Rob Collins died. I don't know if that's a causal link, but it definitely makes sense.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 20:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I don't think anyone is going to agree, but I find myself playing "You Cross My Path" with surprising frequency. It's not great or anything, but is pretty solid all the way through and makes for a good default play when I'm sick of all my usual favorites. Faint praise maybe, but the play count is mounting. Possibly the closest to classic rock (in terms of consistency, etc.) that I've been able to find of late. Definitely a lot of New Order in the genes.

dlp9001, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 18:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

I find Some Friendly a bit more dated in places but still a really enjoyable album. It's all about Sonic and Sprosten Green at the end, two of my favourite songs of theirs.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:03 (four years ago) Permalink

gah RIP

always been partial to Us & Us Only, some great drum parts on there

joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:06 (four years ago) Permalink

still amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoNbrkCQfcs

piscesx, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 17:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Yes! I should have added earlier Wonderland is another one of their great albums and A Man Needs to be Told is the highlight, it should have been a huge hit for them.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 18:07 (four years ago) Permalink

this is sad news, RIP.

going to play their self titled tomorrow, my favorite of theirs. just counted and i actually own nine albums and a few singles by them.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 05:39 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

the new album is dope.

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 04:05 (two years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

God, I didn't hear a whisper about the album. Was just revisiting "Oh Vanity" (which is utterly great) and then found Modern Nature sitting on Spotify, like a forgotten Christmas present that suddenly turns up mid-year. Did anyone in the US write anything at all about this?

dlp9001, Saturday, 25 July 2015 00:09 (two years ago) Permalink

Tried to but my various pitches were turned down. Tim Burgess ended up following me on Twitter a while back -- very flattered, not sure why he did! -- so I've followed him in return and it seems like they've had a very good year of it.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2015 00:17 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Can't stop won't stop

https://thecharlatans.lnk.to/DifferentDaysPR

The Charlatans have released their new single "Plastic Machinery," available now for download and streaming. The song is from the band's thirteenth album entitled Different Days, due out May 26, 2017 via BMG. Co-produced by Jim Spencer, the album was recorded at the band’s studio in Cheshire and features contributions from an array of friends... from Paul Weller and Johnny Marr to crime writer Ian Rankin and writer/actress Sharon Horgan.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 20:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

Fuckin' hell, this band are still going!?

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 21:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

The longest time they've ever been between albums has been three years. Most times it's been two, sometimes one.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 21:20 (eight months ago) Permalink


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