Beck: Classic Or Dud

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I'd add Cake and The Eels to that list.

Generally speaking I'd call that evidence for the prosecution.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 September 2002 20:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

daniel- the simple problem is that he seems to have a list of styles and from alb to alb he ticks them off. he doesn't seem to bring anything of his own. at no time I think this is Beck, it's just an endless Borg like assimilation of styles.

so there...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 21 September 2002 20:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

When a German interviewer asked E whether Beck had influenced the Eels, he said "No, we're better than him. We've got three turntables and two microphones"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 21 September 2002 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Beck is classic for Odelay and Mellow Gold. He had more effect on a teenage me and my friends the Nirvana did for all their industry changing hoopla.
Im not sure about influences but Beck goes really well with Basehead and his producers record that was okay (some good single material).

Nardwaur: Beck why should people care about you and not your haircut?
Beck: Fuck off (hangs up)
One of the reasons I heart E more then Beck.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 22 September 2002 02:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Julio: I suppose that what he brings of himself to it would be the wonderfully fucked-up lyrics and the Pop Art sensibility, tho I'll admit that both of those aren't that original in the first place. Oh, and his voice (Johnny Cash once remarked that it has that "old mountain feel")

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 22 September 2002 12:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Beck goes really well with Basehead

Funny you should say that...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 September 2002 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

"There are many reasons not to be impressed by Beck."

Well, you lost me right there.

Nate Patrin, Sunday, 22 September 2002 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Whatever floats your boat. I was feeling particularly snarky that day, I seem to remember -- my comment at the start of the thread here really still says it all about him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 September 2002 14:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
>>And as for Ben Williams, Beck is not even a Scientologist. If your going to make a lame judgement at least get your story straight.


Actually, Beck has expressed an interest in scientology lately.<<

Actually, no he hasn't. And he's been more honest about his relationship to Scientology than any one of the 95,000 asinine gossip threads I've read about this.


philo t. vance, Friday, 18 October 2002 02:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
He's pretty good. His last album was bad, very dull, I think, though I only heard about half of it one time. The "lost cause" song was bad, anyway. Why do people always try to say beck is ironic? What has he ever done, ever, in his life that is even remotely ironic? Name one thing. You can't!

Applepie Baseball, Friday, 19 December 2003 07:47 (twenty years ago) link

I dislike Beck. Dud, diddy, dud, dud-dud, dud.

Wasn't that bit on Odelay?

I don't believe a thing that comes out of his mouth. His music seems to originate in his pinky finger and his big toe. Then he has the nerve to make an ernest, dark album. And we're supposed to dig it?

Cotton candy with hipster flavoring. Irony to the point of nothingness.

Debito (Debito), Friday, 19 December 2003 08:05 (twenty years ago) link

the simple problem is that he seems to have a list of styles and from alb to alb he ticks them off. he doesn't seem to bring anything of his own. at no time I think this is Beck, it's just an endless Borg like assimilation of styles.

Sorry, wrong. That is Beck. You can say the same thing about the first three Beatles albums, although the comparison ends there.

Who has Beck influenced?

Well, me for one. And Radiohead and everyone who has heard his stuff and realizes that there are no boundries to music and that adding a good melody to the sound of breaking glass is a good thing.

Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Friday, 19 December 2003 08:29 (twenty years ago) link

i like him so much i stole his hairdo

stevem (blueski), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:06 (twenty years ago) link

I like Beck. Like any artist, sometimes he he hits and sometimes he misses. But, c'mon, if nothing else Odelay is a classic.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:29 (twenty years ago) link

i never really liked beck, but i lovelovelove 'seachange'
judging by the hate its given on ILM i think he made it just for me.
thanks beck, didnt know you cared!

zappi (joni), Friday, 19 December 2003 11:52 (twenty years ago) link

So classic, stevem's stolen hairdo is out of date.

Barima (Barima), Friday, 19 December 2003 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

"Beercan" is the best thing he's ever done. Who's with me???

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 19 December 2003 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

Why do people always try to say beck is ironic? What has he ever done, ever, in his life that is even remotely ironic? Name one thing. You can't!

His appearance on MTV's 120 Minutes. The one where he and Thurston Moore smash up a phone. So there.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 19 December 2003 21:41 (twenty years ago) link

Beck is ironic, but not in that hamfisted way that most "ironic" bands are. He employs irony as a literay device. "I'm glad I got my suit dry cleaned before the riots started." That's irony.

Also, Beck is so classic it hurts.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 19 December 2003 21:45 (twenty years ago) link

All the brothers in Brooklyn played Odelay.

Barima (Barima), Friday, 19 December 2003 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

Them Again > Odelay

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:45 (twenty years ago) link

Them Again > your favorite album, period.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 19 December 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

How I imagined Beck to be before I actually heard him >>>>>> Beck. He's not bad though, a few classic moments though Midnite Vultures seemed a bit pointless.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 19 December 2003 23:33 (twenty years ago) link

well unless your favorite album is Odelay, songs from Them Again are unlikely to appear on it several times

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Saturday, 20 December 2003 01:38 (twenty years ago) link

i.e. twice

I think it's kinda cheeky to sample two songs from the same album, and it sucks that Them Again hasn't gotten the recognition it deserves (it's my second-favorite album of '66, behind that one with the goats and the Cooper Black typeface and Brian Wilson on the cover), but hearing "I Can Only Give You Everything" and "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" in conjunction with "Devil's Haircut" and "Jack-Ass" makes both the Them songs and the Beck songs sound a bit stronger in a complementary way.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 20 December 2003 04:35 (twenty years ago) link

Nate completely OTM.

Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 20 December 2003 04:37 (twenty years ago) link

I think the neither dud nor classic idea was it.
It goes unsaid that Beck has some strengths; how many people dont like a single song by him?
But I thought Midnite Vultures was overkill. Furthermore, Sea Change just doesn't last.

adam michel (adam michel), Saturday, 20 December 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

Beck has some great tunes, but I don't imagine anyone out there having a "Beck phase", right? Do you "get into" Beck's music? Perhaps that's the point, tho...All of his material post-Odelay tries to appear "written" but still carry the sheen of the former cut-and-paste boy he once was. How his music is produced, "the process", is included in the final product. Would Sea Change sound better or worse without the Godrich tinkerings?

p.j. (Henry), Saturday, 20 December 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Beercan" is the best thing he's ever done. Who's with me???

I'm there, dude.

Omar (Omar), Saturday, 20 December 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

me three.
prolly one of the better songs of the 90's.

dyson (dyson), Saturday, 20 December 2003 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

*admits nate's right*

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Saturday, 20 December 2003 19:01 (twenty years ago) link

Not to downplay Odelay, but I still think Mellow Gold is his best -- it's probably the best album of its kind since Safe As Milk ("of its kind" meaning "cobbled-together thrift-store junk culture blues").

If you want to hear a weird stylistic evolution, listen to the way he attempts to sing folk on some of his 1991-92 demos (thinking Don't Get Bent Out of Shape and/or Fresh Meat and Old Slabs here) -- he does just fine as a screaming anti-folk Fluxus psycho ("Fume") but some of the songs which seem to be geared more towards a straight-faced folk/blues/roots sound are almost unbearable; stuff like "Why Can't I Believe In You" are halfway competent but just croaky and nasal enough to make it somewhat grating. It's a voice more suited for singing weird songs about getting cut in half than it is for Woody Guthrie-style folk. Fortunately he got his shit together around '93 or so, when he recorded parts of Stereopathetic Soulmanure and One Foot in the Grave and sung those sorts of songs with a more subdued and controlled voice. (All you have to do is compare his '92 recording of "Hollow Log" from Fresh Meat with the one from One Foot -- though maybe it's part in the recording technique.) Now compare that '93/'94 stuff -- and songs like "Whiskeyclone, Hotel City 1997" and "Ramshackle" (recorded in '94, tacked onto the end of Odelay) -- to "Jack-Ass"... and then compare "Jack-Ass" to anything from Sea Change.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 20 December 2003 19:11 (twenty years ago) link

Dud. Uninteresting 'indie-rock' bores me senseless.

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 20 December 2003 19:30 (twenty years ago) link

eight months pass...
Beck 'indie-rock'? Beck is pop. Pop music. So be it.

47% stupid, Monday, 6 September 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

One Foot In The Grave is his best by a mile.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Monday, 6 September 2004 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
i came across this site whilst researching the making of midnite vultures.
after 3 weeks debating i have chosen Beck's Sexx Laws as a good and interesting example of a well produced song for my music tech degree.

anyone dare argue?

...well founded criticism more than welcome..

peter pumpkins pie, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "Get the Party Started" sounds like a Midnite Vultures track.

So did he, apparently.

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

One Foot In The Grave is his best by a mile.

purist.
i say 'odelay', of course. 'sea change' is a great record, too, despite the fact that some critics couldn't manage that he was being serious all of a sudden. it didn't fit in with their preconceptions of him so they slagged it with the usual "he's just wearing another mask" type of bla bla.

looking forward to the next one. i hear it's a really upbeat, messed-up record. great!

Jay Kid (Jay K), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

erm, yes ...

Jay Kid (Jay K), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

EY3 LIKE NOIZE AND GURLS

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

hes a scientologist

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

he has rosacea

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
Two Beck questions:

1.) I'm trying to figure out what song I recently saw Beck perform on an old SNL. It was with a backing band of about 5 or 6 people (with female vocalist(s)) and was really funky-like. My guess is that it was definitely post-Odelay but pre-Sea Change. It was very good.

2.) Does anyone remember that NY Times Magazine article a few years back that had a graphic of what songs were on Beck's iPod? By chance does anyone know if it is posted somewhere online?

I thank you.

PB, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember that -- I searched LexisNexis hoping to find it for you, but it was a graphic and there's no text available. Here's the details, though:

Beck's 198-Track Mind
Published: March 17, 2002, Sunday

Rob Upt1ght., Thursday, 28 July 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic! Guero is still my album of the year so far.

His appearance on MTV's 120 Minutes. The one where he and Thurston Moore smash up a phone.

No, that's not being ironic. That's being retarded.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 28 July 2005 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
BECK is completely original, you guys are fools for disrespecting him. There is no one out there doing what BECK is doing. He is a solo artist, without someone to fall on. Bringing on his own style and sound, Beck is one of the best musicians in his time. I need not say anymore.............

YouBETTERKnow, Friday, 18 November 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

We are suppressive persons.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 18 November 2005 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
i agree you guys are fucking douche bags...Beck is the best artist since damn near anyone. You clearly haven't purused his back catalog.

bart vandever, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:49 (seventeen years ago) link

clearly

jäxøñ (jaxon), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah the harry partch thing is the one off that I like the most

calstars, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 16:45 (one month ago) link

YESS I was trying to remember if I imagined that Harry Partch thing, it was so good

braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 18:55 (one month ago) link

I owned five guayaberas because of Beck.

― braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, March 11, 2024 12:14 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

How come there isn't a thread where ilxors disclose the most embarrassing shit their fandom of an artist or band has compelled them to purchase?

A street taco cart named Des'ree (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 14 March 2024 19:31 (one month ago) link

i purchased one foot in the grave (a great album!) on vinyl

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:13 (one month ago) link

Don’t go carvin’ no happy face on my tombstone

calstars, Thursday, 14 March 2024 20:24 (one month ago) link

I looked good in those guayaberas. I lived in a small town it was the 90s all my friends were wearing Gap

braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 15 March 2024 00:20 (one month ago) link

because they loved the Swing Kings?

Deflatormouse, Friday, 15 March 2024 17:00 (one month ago) link

owning guayaberas because of Beck = not particularly embarrassing, of course. rather i was thinking i have done 100x worse

Deflatormouse, Friday, 15 March 2024 17:02 (one month ago) link

I mean, those swing commercials delighted us all at the time, khakis for every teen

braaam.flac (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 15 March 2024 17:02 (one month ago) link

nothing wrong with a guayaberas IMO

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 15 March 2024 23:18 (one month ago) link

please mentally remove the plural that was a copypaste mistake

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 15 March 2024 23:18 (one month ago) link

re: beck, I also liked his cover of Skip Spence's Oar.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 15 March 2024 23:20 (one month ago) link


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