C/D -- Charlie Kaufman

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Yeah this thread has me wanting to go out and buy Adaptaion and Sunshine on DVD now.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 8 May 2006 01:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Adaptation is a bitt too smart for it's own good, and that the screenplay overpowers the actual film, which is unfortunate.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 8 May 2006 02:48 (seventeen years ago) link

whew, well that was good. spookier than i remembered. and it seemed, well, deeper on this watching. but this is, i guess, a subjective thing. and perhaps that is why the movie impresses me too, now.
(i didn't realize that the end-credit song was Beck! weird. it's a good song. the use of music/score is really impressive throughout, i noticed.)

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Ryan saying "the music sucks" was the main reason I got all ad-hominem.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:13 (seventeen years ago) link

haha, i didn't even notice that he said that! i just thought it worked for the film.

and it panders to people who think their romantic relationships are the ultimate existential experience that can be had. fuck that.
hrm. i can understand where this is coming from. but again, different viewers, different responses. i don't think this re: relationships, but i like the movie. i just thought it was about, well, life, not nec in an existential way.)

i like adaptation too. esp the ending.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

very clever

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

D

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

is that an eyeless smile?

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

crepey

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

de sucre

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:26 (seventeen years ago) link

D

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.moviexplosion.com/silenthillpostersmall.jpg

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:29 (seventeen years ago) link

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jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

aah!
well you know how in the movie they don't have faces at one point? this is probably why i said that. it FREAKS ME OUT. erg.

hi john.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link

hi robyn.

there was a twilight zone episode that had a woman without a mouth on it, and that gave me nightmares as a kid.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:36 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah yeah that's where it all started oh I REMEMBER alright (nightmare city)

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i like jim carrey.

the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Monday, 8 May 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Adpatation has its moments but is a bit too clever-clever and Nic Cage, in general, makes me want to hang myself. The annoying thing about Nic Cage is that he always manages to get parts in really good films. But I can't stop hating his "I'm acting so hard" face.

I think Eternal Sunshine is basically a good romantic comedy which, in a world where romantic comedies are absolute shite, is a bit of a revelation. It does have some visually stunning set pieces too.

BJM is great. I think it's lazy to criticise it for being Meta. I hate that knee-jerk reaction that people have to something being meta. It's almost as if, because the arm chair critic is clever enough to be able to know the correct technical term - metafiction - then it must be a shallow trick that only stupid people would buy into. BJM revolves around a really interesting idea. Its Metaness is secondary.

JoseMaria (JoseMaria), Monday, 8 May 2006 08:52 (seventeen years ago) link

BJM's training movie and "I've been very lonely in my isolated tower of indecipherable speech." are worth the price of admission by themselves.

pandering to people's already heightened self-regard in these matters

Yes, because without this movie those people would see themselves as they are. Where by 'those people' I mean everyone ever.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 8 May 2006 09:00 (seventeen years ago) link

while enjoying i never quite got the point of BJM; 'adaptation' and 'eternal...' are two of my all-time favourite films.

the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Monday, 8 May 2006 09:05 (seventeen years ago) link

adaptation is 1 of my favorite movies, malkovich is really good too tho cusack grates, never saw eternal sunshine but reading this thread i really dont think its up my alley - if its beloved by ppl who thought dudes first 2 movies are cold formal exercises it must be the most nakedly emo bullshit ever filmed

-+-+-+++- (ooo), Monday, 8 May 2006 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I also loved "Being John Malkovich" and I'm not emo.

Dan (Bah) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 May 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.beingcharliekaufman.com/roomies.pdf

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 May 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

(say goodbye to your lunch break.)

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 May 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i like adaptation too. esp the ending.

See, for the last 20 mins I was all I GET IT AWREADY.

The first 20 mins of the Barris movie are astonishing -- big ups to Rockwell and Clooney -- then it just sorta flops around.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 May 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i liked adaptation the best. i always kind of wish that his movies are better than they are though. cuz i like to root for people with crazy imaginations in hollywood. they always feel a little unfinished or something. which is weird cuz they are all so thought out and circuitous.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 May 2006 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i think kaufman was v disappointed with 'confessions'.

the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Monday, 8 May 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Thank you Tracey. That is awesome!

JoseMaria (JoseMaria), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm also not a big fan of how malkovich, eternal sunshine, and adaptation look either.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

but that's just me.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

malkovich looks pretty good for what it is, and adaptation has the sparse feel of the type of new yorker piece its taken from (or a mcsweeneys page, or a margaret atwood dust jacket). in trailers etc eternal sunshine looked alternately bleak & 90s seattle twee but w/o any real actual world to grasp onto (i hate gondrys videos too)

-+-+-+++- (ooo), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think Adaptation and Eternal Sunshine should be played off against each other the way they are in this thread. They're both great movies! It's not a zero-sum game.

Adaptation really merits repeated viewing, too. crazy brilliant.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

malkovich was just way too dark for me. as in: i had trouble actually seeing what was going on at times.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

i had similar misgivings about sunshine, ethan, but when i saw it i was very impressed - it was much much funnier than i was expecting!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

well it DOES boast noted funnyman david cross

-+-+-+++- (ooo), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

id like charlie kaufman to write an emma thompson vehicle

-+-+-+++- (ooo), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Eternal Sunshine is really quite a sweet film! Plus there's Tom Wilkinson. There's never any dullness when Tom Wilkinson's on screen.

David Orton (scarlet), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't even remember david cross! i must have blanked him out.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

David Cross is the male half of Jim Carrey's friends who are a couple. he's surprisingly inoffensive.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

you bastards, i thought i'd got rid of that memory for good!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Malkovich is really ugly, it reminds me of Groundhog's Day, all muddy and gray like the cinematographer was passed out drunk somewhere. At least, unlike GD, it wasn't shot like a sitcom.

BJM revolves around a really interesting idea. Its Metaness is secondary.
I have a problem with this statement, because while it may revolve around a really interesting idea, once you see or hear that idea it's like OK, that's cool, now what? And there's nothing there. A movie has to be better than its synopsis (or gimmick) for me to care.

Eternal Sunshine is as meta and formalist as either of the other ones, but that nakedly emo bullshit core gives me a reason to want to see it again.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 8 May 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

The best part of David Cross in Eternal Sunshine is that he's:
1. barely noticeable
2. speaking non-sequiturs 90% of the time.

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 8 May 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I despised Adaptation in its first run. This has soured my appreciation of Kaufman's work (tho' I like Eternal Sunshine lots).

I personally love his first two films for daring to be so meta and formal in an age of formulaic blockbusters

It's no stretch for any screenwriter or director with half a brain to be meta. Gimme a formulaic blockbuster any day: at least the stars are prettier.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 May 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

five years pass...

new project: Steve Carell as a screenwriter, Jack Black as his film blogger nemesis.

http://www.awardsdaily.com/2011/10/about-that-new-charlie-kaufman-screenplay-frank-or-francis/

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 October 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

seven months pass...

Okay, yeah, I'm 100% on board with that.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

^well, what happened with this?

New TV pilot:

http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/john-hawkes-michael-cera-to-star-in-charlie-kaufmans-fx-comedy-pilot/

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link

Okay, yeah, I'm at least 92% on board with that.

Yes, Yes, Of Course, My American Friend! Ah Ha Ha Ha! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

ack hueg!

cerebral halsey (rip van wanko), Monday, 23 November 2020 02:58 (three years ago) link

Lol

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 November 2020 03:20 (three years ago) link

She was very good, much better movie on the whole even if it was unsuccessful or uneven than Wild Rose, the only other thing I've seen her in

flappy bird, Monday, 23 November 2020 05:29 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

I haven't been able to get it out of my mind since watching it nearly two weeks ago, which I take as a good sign.
― A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Sunday, October 11, 2020 4:25 PM (two months ago)

I started I'm Thinking of Ending Things a couple of months ago, stopped 20 minutes in--just wasn't in the mood--finally watched it this week. (Not in one sitting, though I of course restarted.) Cryptosicko's comment is pretty much where I am right now: I'm fairly sure I won't forget it, and there are strange films I forget immediately. I don't think I'd started the third season of Fargo yet when I made the first attempt, so I didn't know Jessie Buckley--she had some kind of year there. This is a lazy way to approach the film, I know, but I think my two favourite parts were when it felt like it was about to turn into a horror film: the scratched-up door to the basement, and the whispered warning from the Tulsey Town server.

clemenza, Monday, 28 December 2020 14:43 (three years ago) link

I haven't read the novel the film is based on, but I have seen it classified as horror. I suspected that Kaufman heavily, er, Kaufmanized the source material, but this makes me curious to read how this material might play with a more genre-specific orientation (though, again, haven't read, so I have no idea if that's what the novel actually is).

Langdon Alger Stole the Highlights (cryptosicko), Monday, 28 December 2020 17:15 (three years ago) link

the novel is definitely horror

na (NA), Monday, 28 December 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link

"psychological horror" i guess

na (NA), Monday, 28 December 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link

yeah, Horrorible

flappy bird, Monday, 28 December 2020 19:03 (three years ago) link

oh I thought you meant Antkind. hold fire on the author of I'm thinking of ending things

flappy bird, Monday, 28 December 2020 19:04 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

didn't love I’m Thinking of Ending Things while watching it the first time but it has stayed in my mind and I now want to see it again

Dan S, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link

My partner audibly hating every second of it made it hard for me to form a considered opinion.

chap, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 09:18 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

i watched what the theater claimed was the official big screen debut of Ending Things with Kaufman there to talk, preceded by his new sad-poetry-slam-meets-john-wilson short Jackals and Fireflies.

i got to ask Kaufman a question that's been on my mind with most of his movies which is if his intent is to leave the audience playing with the puzzlebox and trying to keep up with his story or if he means for us just to try to hang on and enjoy the immediate ride. He said his goal was for people to appreciate the moment to moment experience of the film and not get caught up in the details, which gives it a framework for response on his terms: Jackals and Fireflies was not much to write home about but I found Ending Things equal parts disturbing, frustrating and very very good. Gonna have to see it again. It's very much an existential horror film with a knockout cast.

POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Friday, 10 February 2023 06:46 (one year ago) link


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