Lance Armstrong is a God

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isnt he on drugs

anthony, Friday, 23 July 2004 08:53 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/08/20010803-7.html

"I had assumed, because he and Bush were Texans and I’d seen pictures of them laughing and joking in the Oval Office, that Armstrong was a Republican. But he says his politics are “middle to Left”. He is “against mixing up State and Church, not keen on guns, pro women’s right to choose”. And very anti war in Iraq."

Sadly, I made the same assumptions as Alistair Campbell! a mistake i'll try never to repeat...

But, whoever said above that i had negative images of Armstrong cos he came from Texas... NO NO NO. i LOVE Armstrong and the fact that he's disassociated himself from Bush makes me love him all the more...(tho not as much as yesterday's unbelievable sprint finish!).

Also, I've got relatives in Austin and have been there several times and thorougly enjoyed it, so i'm not anti-Texans in general either.

this thread was meant to be Armstrong love, people. Sorry for any confusion...

Jay 79 (jaybob79), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the only "gift" yesterday was Lance trying to let Landis take the stage win. But Lance wouldn't insult his teammate like that.

If he's not making ref. to the Basso stage win, then he must be referring to his decision to chase down Klodi at the line yesterday, that is, not give him the "gift" of breaking away for the stage win without putting up a fight at the end.

The thing is, that was no gift, that was Klodi's fuckup pure and simple. The last few km were ALL Ullrich -- he chased down Landis not once but twice, and then duped the others into thinking he was going to play cat-and-mouse for the last km, which caused everyone to ease up and gave his teammate the oppurtunity to attack. And it was a great attack -- nobody reacted in the least -- but he ran out of gas 10 seconds later, appeared to ease up with about 500 m to go, couldn't finish strong, and checked the wrong blind spot twice looking for someone trying to outsprint him to the line. If Klodi had broken away and won, there's be no talk of gifts, just of great riding by the T-Mobile boys.

(xposts)

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i meant to post this

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9910-1018310,00.html

Jay 79 (jaybob79), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the 'no more gifts' thing was sposed to related to him gifting Marco Patani a stage win back in 2000..

Jay 79 (jaybob79), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:56 (nineteen years ago) link

That was in the back of my mind as well ... but again, why bring that up now? (admittedly, the Basso stage win did remind me of Armstrong-Pantani on Mt. Ventoux in 2000, with the way that Lance didn't appear to go hard at the finish).

That would be particularly tasteless in light of Pantani's death earlier in the year, even though there was no love lost between the two of them after that incident in 2000.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"no more gifts"

supposedly eddy merckx told lance, after he let pantani take a TdF stage many years ago (which pantani was reportedly offended by BTW), "gifts are for birthdays"
and it has been a syndrome with lance for a long time it's true, he is all about the G.C., and in some ways only about it. merckx and hinault are disappointed by this, the respective cannibal and badger there before him. he is not in the footsteps of lemond and indurain so much as in theirs, style-wise, but eddy and bernard don't seem to understand at all this kind of aw-shucks side, that is in fact more like greg's and miguel's outlooks.
BTW greg lemond though what an asshole, i'm bummed out by him i must say. just like for lance, he used to be a hero to me. but lance is going for that even earlier style full-bore now, and it is fucking awesome.

duke liege, Friday, 23 July 2004 09:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Barry, what you said about the tactics of Ullrich - that was my reading of the situation too. A well-worked move by T-Mobile, you could see them having a chat about it on the run-in. Must be quite an advantage being able to work things out in a language that presumably none of the rest of the group could understand.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Now what the hell is going on?
http://live.cyclingnews.com/

NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, that link is a SPOILER if you didn't want to know what's happening.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Cyclingnews live race commentaries are the greatest things ever.
(Nick, I had the same reaction, I nearly choked on the food I was eating)

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, Lance is out of the break now. The planets re-align to their normal positions, the oceans stop flowing into the rivers, etc.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Obviously he was just toying with the minds of the mere mortals in the peleton.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, 'o-ton' obv.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone else listening to the OLN webcast now??? Liggett and Sherwen doing 'off-mic' impersonations of Zabel and Hushovd?!?! Someone needs to sample that shit!

NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Holy shit, Lance personally chasing down Simeoni and forcing him back to the peloton is major gangsta. That's knocking food off of someone's fork. I'm actually surprised. Angry and vengeful God indeed. Especially because Lance has called Simeoni a liar while Simeoni appears to be trying to "come clean" on doping. Lance appears to be defending not his OWN relationship with Ferrari, but Ferrari's reputation itself--and it's black as coal.

If Armstrong thought the drunk Germans on l'Alpe were bad, he'll have fun if he ever does the Giro in Simeoni's neighborhood.

Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 23 July 2004 13:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Definitely. The treatment Lance got on the Alp was nothing compared to the grief Pavel Tonkov got from fans when he rode in pink after Pantani got booted from the Giro.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I don´t get the hate myself.
I can understand the love - esp from Americans - but to be honest how can you be blind to his obv drug intake? Sure, it's *legal* but before his cancer treatment (which is epo-like in the rise of red blood cells and thus is a *positive influence*) he was a nobody! Never won a THING and now suddenly he's winning SIX tours?!? It's unfair in my opinion, not fair competition.

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

You're trolling, right? He competed as a pro-triathlete and won--in his teens. He was a world RR champion in Oslo at 22 on pure power. He won a stage of the TdF on his first try in 93. He appeared to be a likely classics guy for sure, putting out shitloads of power but weighing 175+lbs. He still won the domestic US stage races of course. He was kind of like the Thor Hushovd of that time--everybody knew who he was from his junior results, wondered how good he'd end up being. Not only did Armstrong not arrive out of obscurity, he was long scrutinized, or even heralded, from early on.

While very, very few would have said Armstrong would become a TdF GC dominator, the guy is clearly a bizzare outlier on the physiological curve. Very very few thought he'd ever even race again if he lived.

NOW. I'm no Lance groupie. All this does not mean that he never doped, or that he's not doping. He was rumored to be an hgh user pre-cancer, from what I've heard.

Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh come on, that's not substantiated at all. I've never heard this much of a stink being made for riders that get CAUGHT doping, much less riders who are just suspected of doping by detractors. Get over it.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I knew about him before he had cancer and I don't know much about racing. I used to watch the big race in Philly every year, but that's about it.
Nathalie, I know you probably didn't mean to, but you make it sound like he gave himself cancer to win races.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I do remember seeing a news show where they talked to doctors and the doctors saying how Lance's body is just off the charts in a million ways that have nothing to do with doping.. He's a freak of nature in some ways.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

most athletes who compete at that level (ie. top of their game) are freaks of nature in some ways.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

THE CHEMO GAVE HIM SUPER POWERS DO YOU SEE

TheRealJMod (TheRealJMod), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

...and isn't his heart, like, a third bigger than normal? Like Secretariat on two legs

TheRealJMod (TheRealJMod), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

HULK WIN TOUR DE FRANCE THANKS TO POWERS OF RADIATION.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I had this theory going a littel while ago that removing a testicle turns men into SUPERMEN but I've only got two datapoints (Lance Armstrong, Scott Hamilton).

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 July 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

HITLER

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 July 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

...and Tom Green

TheRealJMod (TheRealJMod), Friday, 23 July 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean c'mon Dan the original UBERMENSCH only had one teste.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 July 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I am so fantasically pleased that all of you care about bike racing now. YAY!!!

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:52 (nineteen years ago) link

That was a sincere post. It sounded snarky but, was not meant to. I am going to the greatest race in America tomorrow. The Boise Twilight Critierium. Yay!

Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:54 (nineteen years ago) link

'Rip Off Their Balls Speedy'

NickB (NickB), Saturday, 24 July 2004 07:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"no more gifts"

what duke said above; plus, more specifically, that's what hinault said to him at the podium following that stage victory earlier this week. when armstrong said it to reporters that day, he was repeating the words of hinault, who had been chiding armstrong once again, for his history of "giving" stage victories to other riders.

jimmy crackhorn, Saturday, 24 July 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

"You're trolling, right?"

No, of course not. But based on what I knew beforehand - he seemed to be coming from *nowhere* and what I read in the press - made me doubt him. I am still unconvinced even based on what you told me. Anyway sorry. And Scott, feh off, I didn't mean that at all! :-)

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 24 July 2004 13:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Armstrong ahead of Ullrich by 43 seconds at the first check in today's time trial.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

And indeed has won the stage. Ahead by over four minutes with one stage left.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

try 6:38, over kloden

duke over, Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

any jockeying within the top 10 for those mid-race bonus sprints tomorrow? or are those just for a few seconds each? can't remember

duke seconds, Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

yo i need to get my sprint face on

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

try 6:38, over kloden

Even better, then!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

The green jersey competition is still close. It could be decided on the line Sunday.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Saturday, 24 July 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway sorry.

x-post

No, no, no apology needed for sure. I was just sayin.

Speedy, while you're in Boise, I was marshalling the Mt. Evans Hill Climb. It was 45 degrees and drizzly at my checkpoint at 8000 ft, I'm really glad I didn't have to go to the top at 14,100 ft. I'm guessing it had to be in the 20's up there. Oh, and Vaughters was riding in his old CA gear--in the Citizens category. I cheered him, he laughed.

Hunter (Hunter), Saturday, 24 July 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Nathalie, I know you probably didn't mean to, but you make it sound like he gave himself cancer to win races.
The strange thing is, if he'd never had cancer then he might have never won the TdF because he was 20-25 lbs heavier pre-cancer. Before 1999 I believe he'd raced three times in the Tour and abandoned twice.
Obviously this is not a backhanded way of wishing cancer on top riders, but just a comment on wierd how things turn out sometimes.

And the only way to be sure that someone is doping is if they a) test positive, or b) admit it. Period. Speculation is a useless excercise . Once you start speculating, then everyone starts looking guilty which again gets you nowhere.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 July 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i've always understood that most of his success could be explained by specialization - is this not neccessarily the case? specialization has revolutionized most other sports, is it a new thing for cycling? are other cyclists doing it (yet)? if not, if armstrong is the only cyclist who does then it's hardly surprising that he would dominate this race, babe ruth was hitting three to four times the number of home runs as anyone else (sometimes three to four times as any other team) until the cw 'homeruns are a gimmick that don't win games' was overthrown by the yanks actually winning series, then pow! other people start hitting homeruns. how tradition bound and riddled with conventional wisdom is the world of cycling? are armstrong's training methods radically different from the norm?

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

In Lance's case, I'd say that it's definitely the training, in the sense that his entire year is focused on winning the Tour and nothing else. Hinault recently commented that if Merckx had only concentrated on winning the Tour then he'd have won it 14 times.

This highly focused training means, among other things 1) Lance has to be in peak form for only three weeks of the year, 2) since he's not competing in many other races, then he's got more time to train on the actual TdF route. It's no secret that Lance knows the routes (and the climbs in particular), far better than any of his competitors. But there's no way you can race a full season and still find time to do this -- as part of his training, Lance and his team ride the entire route at least once or twice, and the main climbs even more than that.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

right, well there is a broad span to the season, and he has generally ignored the rest of it since coming back as a differently composed rider. the irony being that the flipside component of one-day glory (as opposed to stage-race tours like the TdF) to the cycling world, which he was a known achiever within (what was it liege-bastogne-liege? and as hunter pointed out to nathalie, PROFESSIONAL WORLD ROAD RACE CHAMPION), he has up until now at least fully abandoned altogether. not too many others are in the position to do that, as racing is a living like any other, and these teams are corporate-sponsored entities who want maximum results/exposure. the rest of the seasons events are televised too across the globe, some even here in U.S. on OLN.
anyway it is safe to say he deserves this position and doesn't seem to take it for granted, or really ever be interested in resting on laurels at all, but hopefully he try for some more one-days before he ulitmately calls it quits. he also has talked about tackling the hour record, etc. which is very Seventies and killer. lance is taking it back hopefully.
such a tech/stats-head though, and hunter it's no surprise to me he's down with weisel, though i didn't know it before.

duke bonds, Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

not too many others are in the position to do that, as racing is a living like any other, and these teams are corporate-sponsored entities who want maximum results/exposure. - so, strangely, is it somewhat the lack of interest in cycling in the us that allows armstrong to specialize and focus on the only race most americans are familiar with?

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 July 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

there are other non-yanks (and one other, hamilton, who is as well one) such as ullrich, mayo, heras etc. who are more or less in this position too. and the Tour de France is essentially the acknowledged Big One, to everybody everywhere.
obv. you must have demonstrated an ability to seriously contend before in order to have such support in focusing on it. and it's up to the rider too, and what's important along the season's schedule to him as an individual. eventually Lemond just had his Tour and World Championship. an aberration like Merckx wanted to win every race all the time. and so on..

duke flight, Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

paradoxically this year there were probably MORE who were able to focus because they somehow thought that they smelled blood or something. ha!

duke paris, Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, that's amazing.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOxQ6aEWNJU

Confused Turtle (Zora), Saturday, 2 February 2013 14:13 (eleven years ago) link

^^ that is not what it looks like. Watch out for the bit where his eyes flash and his wheels catch fire...

Confused Turtle (Zora), Saturday, 2 February 2013 14:14 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

He's back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q2QsqatfLA

Jesus H.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/drums.gif

markers, Sunday, 21 April 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link

Bill Brock, Betsy Andreu and Greg & Kathy LeMond talk about doping http://new.livestream.com/ut-comm/events/2050748

you may not like it now but you will (Zora), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 12:17 (ten years ago) link

(It starts at about 40:00)

you may not like it now but you will (Zora), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 12:18 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

So.....hey what's up?

Howard Stern welcomed comedienne April Macie back to his satellite radio show Monday morning, and Macie spilled the goods about a variety of topics, including the night that champion cyclist Lance Armstrong asked her to perform an extremely dirty sexual act on him in a hotel bathroom.

Macie said that she and a friend met Armstrong at a club in Los Angeles and then went back to his Peninsula hotel room to party with some friends. When Macie stepped into the bathroom, though, she bore witness to a very different kind of party than the one she had expected.

"I went to use the bathroom, and I went in and Lance was bent over a bathtub and she was just face deep in his a**hole...I was terrified. And then he came out and said: ‘Does your friend want in on a round too?’ and I was like: 'Of taint tickling? I’m gonna take a pass'..I think it’s hilarious that he would ask without even knowing my first name—to eat his a**hole. Like: ‘Do you want in on a round too? Of **hole eating?...I got pretty for the evening. I didn’t know he was going to ask me to eat his asshole later on.”

Macie said that the incident happened "five or six years ago," long before Armstrong was hit with the brunt of the massive drug scandal in which he was accused of using steroids to win seven consecutive Tour de France titles from 1999-2005. In January 2013, Armstrong finally admitted to the doping allegations after years of denying them.

unfinest DN (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 23 May 2013 12:07 (ten years ago) link

finally, evidence that armstrong may be human

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link

sorry

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 May 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

ASPEN, Colo. -- Authorities say disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong hit two parked cars after a night of partying in Aspen but agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame to avoid national attention.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link

agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame agreed to let his girlfriend take the blame

Aimless, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link


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