― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 17 October 2003 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
(I must have time on my hands)
― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:12 (twenty years ago) link
(posner quotes ballistics expert donahue to refute criticism of the "magic bullet" theory but gets his name wrong)
(ps my friend adair's decisive refutation of posner's book: "Jesus, look at that man's HAIR OIL!!") (this shd also have been in stone's film)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Knoll Edmonds (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:26 (twenty years ago) link
it claims the secret servicemen surrounding him DID know, but covered it up as it was an accident and oswald had already shot jfk fatally and why introduce irrelevancies which wd damage an innocent if clumsy colleague's career needlessly blah blah
the witnesses on the verge etc were anyway notoriously all over the place as to where the various shots came from in terms of puffs of smoke, drifts of smoke and sounds of shots complete w.echoes, plus already looking all directions away from the cars bcz oswald had already fired twice (missed car altogether first time, hit kennedy AND connaly second time)
hickey WAS armed with this gun: that's historically attested to, and visible in some of the photos, esp.the later ones where the motorcade is speeding to the hospital and he's holding it pointed upwards
plus also there's photographic studies of what direction a pumpkin wrapped in masking tape will lurch if you fire a gun into it
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link
Blimey Mark. Full-on shit there. Er, I'll go with it, but LHO managed a fatal shot? Or maybe he *would* have if CIA guy hadn't? I'm well outta my depth, my Dad was mad into it and I was all yeah yeah: classic conspiracy scene: Annie Hall.
The motorcade sped on...
― Steinski (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link
i think oswald did it end-of-story, but if you want a good conspiracy, menninger's is my favourite on aesthetix-of-slapstick grounds
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (twenty years ago) link
Or just read Posner's book.
― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 17 October 2003 15:08 (twenty years ago) link
Quite honestly though the most despicable thing about JFK the film is that it names and implicates Clay Shaw as being involved in the killing, when in reality he was just a businessman with an extremely tenuous connection to the CIA. Garrison was a scumbag, really. Tried to indict a guy from Cali in the JFK plot, because he once wrote him the prez a threatening letter.
― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 18 October 2003 03:19 (twenty years ago) link
I have a friend who always gets pretty mad at historical inaccuracies in movies (esp regarding world war II movies).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 19 October 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 October 2003 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 20 October 2003 01:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 20 October 2003 09:32 (twenty years ago) link
― jones (actual), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link
obviously JFK complete and utter bunk as history, though of course donald sutherland makes the craziness seem almost plausible for a split second. one GOOD thing the movie did do was inspire the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act that got out a lot of previously classified documents and historical information about the era.
and i agree with gear the movie is hilarious.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link
people like that shouldn't watch movies!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link
"oh go back to sleep, Jim"
"Dammit Liz, I been sleepin for three ye-ahs"
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link
who could forget the scene where bacon, jones, and pesci are parading about painted in gold watching homoerotic silent 1920's sports footage!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link
"oh...no..."
***shot of sinister clock***
"h-how bad?"
"there's no woid yet, but they think it's in the he-ahd"
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:52 (eighteen years ago) link
"You're way out there, boss, taking a crap in the wind, and I for one am not going along on this ride!"
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link
i assume this poster was made for a country where Joe Pesci is more popular than Kevin Costner.
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link
"Is this off the record Daddy-O? Good. In that case, let me sum it up for you real quick. If I answer that question you keep asking, if I give you the name of the big enchilada, you know ... then it's bon voyage Dino. I mean like permanent. I mean like a bullet in my head, you dig? You're a mouse fighting a gorilla. Kennedy is dead as that crab meat. The government's still breathing and you wanna line up with a dead man?"
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post YO!
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link
JIM I don't know what to tell them. How 'bout the truth - I'm doing my job to make sure they can grow up in a country where justice won't be an arcane, vanished idea they read about in history books, like the dinosaurs or the lost continent of Atlantis.
LIZ That sounds dandy, but it doesn't replace a father and a husband on Easter Day.
JIM (angry, turns away) It's going to get worse, honey.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link
Quote from Pesci about JFK: "[I was happy to see the Supporting Actor nomination go to Tommy Lee Jones.] When I see that I say, I helped. He worked with me and I helped him be good."
You know, I wonder if there's any behind-the-scenes footage in some vault of the filming of the party scene (where Pesci helped Jones be good).
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link
one of the best books table has recommended
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 November 2023 20:58 (five months ago) link
I hope you like squab!
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 01:29 (five months ago) link
How was your mousse?
― omar little, Thursday, 23 November 2023 02:49 (five months ago) link
“Frankie!”
― active spectator of ecocide and dispossession (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 November 2023 04:05 (five months ago) link
don’t you— don’t you think THIS has something to do with THAT?
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 23 November 2023 07:57 (five months ago) link
i promise [grits teeth] i'll make more time for jasper
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 23 November 2023 10:45 (five months ago) link
My life is fucked, Liz! And yours is, too!
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 10:51 (five months ago) link
in fact, i admired president kennedy. a man of true panache. wife with impeccable taste. [brief cut to liz at ruined brunch]
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 23 November 2023 10:56 (five months ago) link
Christopher Wallace 🐊@Wallace_Chris12DeSantis is our generations JFKHe’s
- A family man- Faithful to his wife - Young gun who brings energy to the party
I see no reason why we shouldn’t nominate DeSantis
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― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 November 2023 11:30 (five months ago) link
Ask not if my party can bring the young gun with the energy...
― pplains, Thursday, 23 November 2023 16:11 (five months ago) link
The only reason to get him on Elm is you got him in a triangulated crossfire. You put a team there down at the fence. Frontal shot. Flat, low trajectory. Put a third team down in this building on a low floor. When Kennedy gets in the kill zone, it's a turkey shoot.
― omar little, Thursday, 23 November 2023 20:18 (five months ago) link
That's a Texas Live Oak, boss. It sheds its leaves the first week of March.
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 20:32 (five months ago) link