rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

yeah, no question.

Sarah Palin makes me feel ill. She is a creepy, evil person.

I don't know that Sarah Palin necessarily had a racist intent with that! I just think that she is:
a. clueless
b. doesn't understand that racism isn't about intent, it's about effect and perception
c. doesn't get the idea of institutional racism giving her words greater weight and context

but, upon judging her reaction:
so this "well, it wasn't racist when.." crap that she's being totally clueless on just leads me to the fact she'll never, ever get b&c so is probably personally racist

i don't think you need racist 'intent' to actually be racist. like you can be a lot of things despite your intent. 'intent' is an awful big compliment in itself to give to certain people, because sometimes it seems like they don't have intentions at all so much as passing spasms of neural activity that appear purposeful from a distance.

racism isn't about intent, it's about effect and perception

for all intents (heh) and purposes, her stance is that she doesn't need to watch her language or apologize, so she's pretty much in the "I can say whatever I want" camp

I don't think Sarah Palin is clueless. She does this calculated dog-whistle shit all the time, only this time it's well within human hearing range.

Probably. I kind of feel that sometimes it's a self-reinforcing thing where every time someone is rebuked for saying something racist that they think is just how normal people speak, they make a point to firm up their language to include more of that shit. Not so much dog whistling as just being an asshole in the attempt to get other assholes to join your side.

"I'm not an asshole, I just use old-fashioned folksy language my community uses, just like they used it 50 years ago to oppress black people."

I’ve been known to use the phrase most often when chastising my daughter Piper to stop procrastinating and do her homework. As she is part Yup’ik Eskimo, I’m not sure if this term would be deemed offensive when it’s directed at her or if it would be considered benign ... Just to be careful, from now on I’ll avoid using it with Piper, and I would appreciate it if the media refrained from using words and phrases like igloo, Eskimo Pie, and “when hell freezes over,” as they might be considered offensive by my extended Alaska Native family.

we were talking earlier about cases where the word "privilege" is useful

i have been cogitating on that last phrase for a while, not sure if i'm missing some note of racism in it or if that's just the 100% bonkers moment in her response

tbf, Palin probably has the privilege of seeing virtually zero black people in Alaska

falls into the same crap as that Trump thing imo, definitely racist bullshit

Trump, that guy. Pretty sure he's made a net of zero dollars, inflation factored in, from his inheritance. Among other travesties.

mh, i disagree. racism isn't just about effect and perception. it is about being a genuinely horrible and prejudiced specimen of humanity who is actually racist and actually discriminates. you just dont have to 'intend' to be that to pull it off.

That is what I said! No intent necessary.

Your intent means shit when your background is 100% privileged horseshit. You just spew garbage, no intent necessary.

look is there any possible way at ALL she would have used that term about a white person? not worth giving her any benefit of the doubt at all.

sarah palin is basically an IRL racist non-musically talented versh of a face in the crowd, except her "oops mic is on" moment was resigning as governor.

We're forgetting the gossip about Palin referring to Obama as 'Sambo' during the 2008 primaries? Probably true IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozajnqh4V8M

I've heard this song for the first time today.

lol @ the idea that sarah palin is not personally racist. i mean, s. clover otm, but still.

seriously

she can be racist and an idiot, come on, guys

never attribute to malice what can be explained by idiocy

then again, she's a malicious idiot, I am so on the fence here

The way she plays the 'I can't be racist, because I'm married to someone not totally white' card? What a crass bit of whataboutery.

I don't know firsthand, but this Palin's husband's part Eskimo sounds like how everyone around here who has a grandmother who was a quarter Cherokee.

you too?

p. sure you mean inuit, racist

xp

palin thing's like the manifest destiny thing in that, while i can actually believe that sarah palin is uneducated enough to not know what "shuck and jive" means, her reaction to having it explained to her isn't "oh shit i had no idea i'm sorry" but an ultrasarcastic version of "fuck you liberal p.c. police for making a big deal out of something which as far as i can see totally doesn't matter at all, i will not consider the feelings or experiences of others and i certainly will not learn any history, stop telling me i can't say and do whatever i want all the time. next you'll be saying we can't talk about low temperatures amirite haha buymybook."

manifest destiny guy was a designer by profession and not a culture warrior so his version of this was more benignly phrased (who knows what words mean man, i have my own meaning and it resonates with me) which is less obnoxious but not really any better.

all of that is obv yes racist.

anyway i liked hill's comeback here a lot: http://mediamatters.org/video/2010/05/26/oreilly-to-marc-lamont-hill-say-youre-a-cocaine/165373

(i guess it'd be better if he didn't laugh as if this was all just friendly japery but whatever it's nervewracking being on tv and coming up w "you look like a cocaine user" in the allotted time is plenty fleetfooted enough)

kudos Tesco!
https://www.tescoparty.com/FancyDress/Product_Detail.aspx?ProductID=FANC0177

https://www.tescoparty.com/images/fancy/thumbs/FANC0177_lnk.jpg

https://www.tescoparty.com/images/fancy/thumbs/FANC1915_lnk.jpg

Includes:
Two arm cuffs, two ankle cuffs and grass skirt.
Excludes:
Wig and necklace.

Includes: grass skirt
Excludes: the things we added to make it more obviously racist

many questions are raised by these photos, one of which is "was Rob Brydon really that hard up?"

what in the shit

I'm just sad there isn't a "this is definitely racist" thread.

i am genuinely a little surprised that a company the size of Tesco thinks this shit is okay. can see a fairly high profile backlash happening if people pick up on this.

link was taken from a friend's Twitter stream, it's the kind of thing that might "go viral" I suppose, or at least I hope it does.

does the costume come w/ full body blackface, too?

this guy's expression is killing me tho, also is he holding a bottle of hot sauce?

https://www.tescoparty.com/images/fancy/thumbs/FANC1915_lnk.jpg

FWIW https://twitter.com/neilstewart/status/263691305220202497

I'm guessing it's Reggae Reggae Sauce

think that's a yellow bottle but yeah that's the idea

if ilx had avatars this would be my shit

http://i.imgur.com/ldDsH.png?1

Barenaked Lady in racist Halloween costume shockah

‏@neilstewart
Hey @UKTesco it's unacceptable you're selling racially stereotyped Halloween costumes https://www.tescoparty.com/FancyDress/CostumeThemeListing.aspx?pmo=0&gg=ma&ThemeCode=177&mo=0 … care to comment? #racistTesco

‏@UKTesco
@neilstewart I am sorry, which one do you feel is offensive?

was just about to post that! Do they REALLY need me to spell it out? Apparently so...

Miley Cyrus dresses as Nicki Minaj for Halloween:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcrpjpVikN1rk5d6vo1_1280.jpg