theres a difference between choosing a list for all time favorite Neil songs to a "one on one" thing.esp. for the ones who chose both an their list (the majority?!)
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
nah it's some pointless 'i demand a recount' shit
― some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
or it's just "i demand a discussion" about those two particular songs.
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, I never feel like listening to them. He mastered these longform jams a few years later.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, October 19, 2012 11:58 AM
just curious, have you heard the 2009 remaster?
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
ILM had been so light on neil young discussion this year, too
― some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
damn, some dude shutting it down. but anyway, how about the one-note machine gun thing neil does to kick off the first down by the river solo? as a kid in a garage band we were all so excited to get to that part.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, its a great moment
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
whatever that famous early TV performance of "River" is, with the incredible solos, that's my fave live version (River over Cowboy for me)
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QsSc95pPPY
yeah the live videos with CSN got me into that song. (i recall a live outdoor video also.)
― billstevejim, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
yeah there's a big sur fest performance (not quite as good as the one iago posted but still rad).
― tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
My microscopic preference comes down to music, for the most part, but I also think "Cowgirl" yields more unforgettable lines: "purple words on a grey background," "when so many love you, is it the same," "can I see your sweet, sweet smile"--pretty much every line.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
is this a joke? cowgirl is a hundred thousand times better than DBTR
― 69, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
maybe from a song craft POV, but I just kinda barrelled ahead to "what jam do I prefer?"
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
Since I went River over Cowgirl in the big poll, I'll go Cowgirl here. They were both top 5 for me. Love that they and "Cinnamon Girl" were all recorded in the same day. (Or at least I like the story. They've all told it enough times that I assume it's true.)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 19 October 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
recorded or written in the same day?
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
they were all written this morning
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 October 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
I think all written one day and all recorded another day.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 19 October 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
Young eventually enticed Whitten, Talbot and Molina to come up to his Topanga home/studio and record some “strange songs” he’d written while being laid up with the flu. “In a single day,” Talbot says, “we did ‘Cinnamon Girl,’ ‘Down By The River’ and ‘Cowgirl in the Sand.’ There wasn’t much need to discuss it….”
http://www.theuncool.com/journalism/rs284-neil-young/
Shocked to see the swell of support for "Cowgirl." Voted "River."
― 誤訳侮辱, Friday, 19 October 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
In the new book he says he discusses writing all 3 at the same time while sick.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 19 October 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
Cowgirl reminds me of a chick i used to date. She torched me but there are some fond memories. We saw Neil at Radio City and also at some small theater up in Washington Heights.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 19 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
cool thing in the book re: crazy horse -- neil says he's working on a compilation of early crazy horse/danny & the memories/rockets material.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
Oh wow! The Rockets album is really good btw.
― 50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 19 October 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzfldDrZ6j8
― 50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it is a pretty cool record. neil says the comp is called "Early Daze" and will sort of tell the complete story of Danny Whitten. will probably be released sometime in 2024.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
"Down by the river". This is my 'default song' - if I ever get an annoying song stuck in my head, like "Chirpy chirpy cheep cheep", I start singing "Down by the river" to get rid of it. A great opening chord change, huge spaces in the arrangement to get lost in, spooked atmosphere. And I wonder if he heard "Season of the witch"?
― Rob M Revisited, Friday, 19 October 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
huh never thought of season of the witch as a connection to Down By The River, but now that you mention it ... i remember reading that molina and talbot thought of the down by the river beat as a super slowed down james brown rhythm. which is kind of funny. guess that puts river in the category of epic rock jamz that have a secret james brown influence like marquee moon.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
Cowgirl easily.
― Widely Recycled (Mr Andy M), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
i think DBTR sounds corny, especially compared to cowgirl
― 69, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
when i meet a cowgirl fanatic, there's usually a cowgirl somewhere in the listener's past
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
not for me amigo
― 69, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
and no, i didn't shoot my baby--my love for DBTR is despite the lyrics, not because of them!
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
i had a ruby in the dust, not a cowgirl
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
and yeah, the Hey Joe theme of River is is a music cliche by now...
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
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― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
There may be a cowgirl in my future, but none in my past.
― hello, I just had a quick question? (_Rudipherous_), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
i do , and it was the woman in her that made her want to play that gaaaammmmmme (oy vey that's a stinker)
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
Hello cowgirl in the riverI've got to shoot you with an arrow from my quiver
― hello, I just had a quick question? (_Rudipherous_), Friday, 19 October 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
they really are two peas in a pod these two ditties
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
what's corny is the lyric 'hello cowgirl in the sand'
― mookieproof, Friday, 19 October 2012 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
ha, true
― Iago Galdston, Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:09 (eleven years ago) link
after re-listening to the Fillmore set, went with Cowgirl. the turnarounds are better.
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 20 October 2012 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
― mookieproof, Friday, October 19, 2012 7:48 PM
really, I think it's such a great opening lyric. hello cowgirl in the sand, is this place at your command? establishes place, character, and relationship so economically.
― space dokken (Edward III), Saturday, 20 October 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
i went for down by the river. not sure if that was the right choice. both songs are phantastic. were there any other songs with lyrics in the 1960s longer than nine minutes?
― alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 20 October 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
Desolation Row, Sad Eyed Lady
(Huh...never noticed before that those are about the same length)
― WilliamC, Saturday, 20 October 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
I really need to get into this album, i have it on LP somewhere. I've listened to it once or twice but always in the background and halfway through "Cowgirl" i stop what i'm doing and this "Oh this must be that 'Cowgirl in the Sand' song everyone always talks about! Cool!"
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 20 October 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
this is a freaking tough on
― the late great, Saturday, 20 October 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
*one
cowgirl
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Saturday, 20 October 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
^
― the gospel of meth (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2013 02:58 (ten years ago) link
"Cowgirl in the Sand" in a movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK31JPnSWeg
― clemenza, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 02:42 (nine years ago) link
recorded 50 years ago today (river)/tomorrow (cowgirl)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:22 (five years ago) link
I've always thought that Cowgirl was the sound of the last big log being thrown on the last campfire on earth.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:29 (five years ago) link
Cowgirl 4eva
― sleeve, Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:37 (five years ago) link
i agree with both of the previous posts! it has a crackle and a sizzle and an air of The End! i never ever get sick of cowgirl, sometimes i tire of the river (just a little)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:38 (five years ago) link
happy 50th birthday to these two great songs!!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:40 (five years ago) link
i realize that post was inane but obvs inspired by love
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:41 (five years ago) link
i love you, down by the river and cowgirl in the sand! if you want to listen to two very lo-fi (but very HOT) live versions from 1970, here you go: https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/182086674297/down-by-the-river-cowgirl-in-the-sand-neil
― tylerw, Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:44 (five years ago) link
at some point in the mid-80s i saw this version of 'river' (with the international harvesters in 1984) on austin city limits. in retrospect probably pales beside other live performances with other backing bands but as a 13yo i remember being utterly hypnotized by it. which is why i probably voted 'river'
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:53 (five years ago) link
On the album, "Cowgirl" easily. But as a jam that's 47 years long, this is shivers when they finally hit the chorus after suspense that goes longer than the whole studio version of "River".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI2ey2g8pcM
― eva logorrhea (bendy), Thursday, 17 January 2019 22:27 (five years ago) link
River is moodier but Cowgirl has more interesting stiff going on musically. That Dm7 stomp underneath “it’s rhe woman in you...” is so great
― calstars, Sunday, 3 February 2019 13:03 (five years ago) link
Also, River is moving, but is hardly alone as a "shot my woman song", where on Cowgirl, the fever-dream altered state is palpable and strange.
― eva logorrhea (bendy), Sunday, 3 February 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
Ha, I just listened to this record a couple hours ago.
River is the sound of the coming apocalypse; Cowgirl the sound of everything lost in it.
― Zsa Zsa Binks (PBKR), Monday, 4 February 2019 01:19 (five years ago) link