Luna

lol wcc otm http://twitter.com/KarenDTregaskin/status/258940411081535488

Yeah. I'm certifiably crazy too (*waves*), and I do take offence when people are all "if you're nuts then just fuck off", especially when it comes from ilxors who I perceive to be otherwise very friendly towards me.

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and not funny either.

But, hey, whatever...

― Mark G, Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:11 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hey!

Hi crazy emil.y I like your style

Yeah, I'm looking for where I wrote the word "crazy" and I don't see it. What were y'all saying about shaming?

first thing I do when I think I'm going into an anxiety/depression/personal clusterfuck is tell my trusted friends to alert me if they feel I'm going off the deep end

feel like it's not "fuck off if you're nuts" but "you're not engaging with humanity in a constructive way, do whatever you need to do to get straight with the world"

also enjoy emil.y's style on the general

I wonder if anyone's going to be able to help him out in this troubling time, what with the undoubted financial impact.

She's already blown through the 50-75k (car, rent, drinking and smoking with "friends" who were all to happy to sponge off the by proxy benefactor) and hasn't had a job in like 2 yrs so it is all on him financially.

lol wcc otm http://twitter.com/KarenDTregaskin/status/258940411081535488

― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:13 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

blocked!

Yeah, I wasn't sure if that was the joke or what.

how about i shame you for saying a bunch of rabblerousing bullshit abt how this mod edit is about protecting luna rather than having a sense of decorum about a delicate situation per request? or would that just ruin your roundabout way to bring up the goddamn wcc/mordy beef again

xposts

ok, last post:

there are three types of "crazy" that I see invoked in life:
1. "Oh, he's so CRAZY" meaning someone knows how to get down and party and is a character
2. Mentally ill (crazy used derogatorily)
3. Mentally ill and enables the illness by getting into certain social situations

I'm not so much for #1, can handle those people in limited doses because I'm not huge on "fun." #2 is never really OK. #3 is... yeah, go get right with yourself, you're making yourself ill.

insidious part of the luna thing was that there was no on-board drama that I really knew of, just using the board to fuel off-board badness

I trust the weird situations I can see

Yeah, I wasn't sure if that was the joke or what.

― controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:20 AM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

naw she basically said im glad theyre clusterfucking abt someone else for a change oh well im sure itll come around to me in a sec

which was otm

don't feed the lizard

Ah, let's play the synonym game, TWU.

ILX: the board that protects the insane and truly damaging and bans those who annoy the mods a little.

― Three Word Username, Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:52 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Obviously I understand the 'truly damaging' part, but what kind of social conscience doesn't want to protect the insane? I mean, what? Are we to be driven from our homes with flaming torches instead?

xposts to mh, yeah, that is actually a sensible iteration of it. Though of course in communities like this there is a certain amount of attraction/repulsion - sometimes coming to "your" online community can be helpful rather than harmful, other times... uh, no.

TWU you don't have to write the word to be engaging in that activity. And I'm not calling you out specifically or even referring specifically to this thread. And I'm not saying "let's forgive everybody for everything!" I'm saying: these incidents could more productively and compassionately be dealt with in a case-by-case basis instead of this simmering cesspool of resentment and whispering

ive been wondering recently what ilx could do to better help people who are going through difficult times, particularly those who seem like they might be a danger to themselves, like if some sort of official policy and/or relationship w/professional help would be a good idea

cause all the suicidal and quasi suicidal talk that goes on around here worries me, tho maybe people feel like having this outlet where they wont be instantly shunted into treatment or diagnosed or w/e is helpful, idk

^

It's worrying but I think it can and has also been used in a really manipulative and destructive way on board which has gone unpunished which isn't really helpful either imo.

I'm notably bitter on the "stop talking about how you're going to do it" point, but that's mostly because:
a. we're not professionals
b. I was repeatedly assured that drunken "oh, I'm going to kill myself" threats were just dumb threats until I walked into my living room to see someone downing a bottle of pills years ago

idk, life

xp Maybe read through that sentence again, and see if a word jumps out at you as unhelpful?

Nope, J, it is a not roundabout way of criticizing your (plural, but please do include yourself, J) moderation policies, which are ad hoc, emotion-laden, and pretty useless in a real crisis. Shaming is lame; I criticize in the naive hopes that y'all will get it one day.

emil.y: I hear you, but that "and" is not an "or", and I stand by it.

flamboyant: Kinda have nothing to say to that, as I am not sure it has any content -- but I don't see "crazy" and "destructive" as describing the same sets of human beings, and kinda resent any implication that I do.

lag -- good question! Dunno the answer.

x-post - maybe fuck off

I don't know who you are but you've sort of been a giant asshole this whole week.

but yes if I were to right it again I'd have used "which has been ignored" rather than "unpunished".

ugh, write not right obv

I know mods dont want the edit brought up but luna is evil and i hope she rots in hell for what she did.

"the modding is shit" is more lame than constructive criticism not couched in spite, imo

I am not going to make the call that anyone talking about suicide is being manipulative and needs to be "punished" unless I can physically see them sitting at their keyboard and while smiling and laughing.

Nope, J, it is a not roundabout way of criticizing your (plural, but please do include yourself, J) moderation policies, which are ad hoc, emotion-laden, and pretty useless in a real crisis. Shaming is lame; I criticize in the naive hopes that y'all will get it one day.

nice reading comprehension you dolt

I am quite certain that I am now going to be called "crazy" and have all kinds of aspersions cast on my mental health for asking what should just be common consideration, but:

I find these kinds of clusterfucks and personal pile-ons incredibly triggering (of anxiety, of depression, of paranoia) and really rather damaging. It's odd to me, that people complain about my "crazyness" and then dive straight into exactly the behaviour I have asked them not to do, because it makes things worse, not better.

I am asking, as nicely as I can: can we please, for once, just not do this.

If you don't like me, can you please just leave me alone. These days, when I don't like someone, I try to avoid them. I certainly don't go following their twitter and looking through it, searching for things to ~get offended at~ and drag back to ILX in order to trigger another clusterfuck of pearl-clutching outrage.

Haven't you had enough? Aren't you bored of this yet? Because I really am. Enough is enough. ENBB, I'm especially sick of your concern trolling. I get it. I don't like you, you don't like me. But you can seemingly never resist the chance to put your oar in when I get mentioned, and turn it into the biggest clusterfuck you can, all the while, wearing this "no, really, I'm not trying to clusterfuck her, I just can't seem to resist talking about her, talking shit about her, at length, at every opportunity I get." While calling for me to be "punished" for the clusterfucks you are busy rousing up.

i also just typed out pretty much a word for word version of what matt just said xpost

just sayin

^^^^sweet solo

"But you can seemingly never resist the chance to put your oar in when I get mentioned, and turn it into the biggest clusterfuck you can, all the while, wearing this "no, really, I'm not trying to clusterfuck her, I just can't seem to resist talking about her, talking shit about her, at length, at every opportunity I get." While calling for me to be "punished" for the clusterfucks you are busy rousing up."

This is complete and total bullshit and exactly the type of behavior you pull time and time again. I have talked about you on board exactly one other time. Mostly I just ignore you.

wcc i dunno if you know what some of us just found out about luna but i promise you, you would be appalled and sickened. You know me well enough that i am not a reactionary, but im truly sickened and angry.

I'm still not sure what I found out about Luna.

but yes if I were to write it again I'd have used "which has been ignored" rather than "unpunished".

― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:33 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Which is a big alteration, so calm down yeah?

I, er, don't think WCC's talking about Luna at all, unless I missed something? I mean, the thread's pretty much moved on.

Yeah AG, she's not.

I'm calm! AF has just been really antagonistic and unpleasant all week but he was right and I didn't mean what that word connotes.

Sorry to be so oblique, but srsly, given the circumstances that spawned this thread revive, can i please appeal to a general sense of decency and ask people to not derail this into another bout of ilx infighting, myself included.

It's not been "ignored." It gets brought up by ENBB on every thread. Use your ctrl-f on the past 3 or 4 clusterfucks of this week. Search for my username, search for ENBB's. You tell me who's been ignoring this.

ok andrew/enbb fair enough

then dive straight into exactly the behaviour I have asked them not to do, because it makes things worse, not better.

WCC, you ask people to not engage in certain types of behaviour around ILX, but people also ask you not to engage in certain types of behaviour around ILX -- on both ends it seems to have similar results?


(down to: lots and lots of people will actually stop what you ask, some won't, and most will have no idea you've ever asked / sometimes you might go "oh yeah" to someone, sometimes you might go "fuck off" to someone else, [and presumably] often you'll never see a thread to notice someone asked.)

Granny D, are they really living where she claimed they were?

just a lil bit of sociopathy, let's be cool

TWU, there are two kind of 'and' uses that are possible here. One is the conjunction within the sentence of two separate things, so 'the insane' and 'the truly damaging' are discrete (though possibly overlapping) entities. In this case you are pulling those of us with mental problems into the argument and saying we should be punished (or at least, not 'protected'). The other use is the one you are claiming now, which is 'the insane and the truly damaging' as one descriptive phrase. In that case, you are either pulling in mental problems as an intensifier, which is STILL REALLY INSULTING, or it is pointless to bring it up at all and your writing is redundant.

Yes, far as I know, M. She actually gave me her home address so I could mail her xmas cookies.