Rolling Teenpop 2006 Thread

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Having so far only heard a 30-second clip of "I Bet You Look Good on the Dancefloor" - and having heard 0 seconds of any actual Erctic Minkeys track, I have this to say: Sugababes rough gruff sassy r&b tingles me when it's run into tracks that are both pop and weird and technoid, whereas doesn't when it's run into tracks that are actually close to r&b. Well, this isn't r&b but it's a new one for un-Suga-expert me: rock. Results? Better than r&b, worse than "Freak Like Me," "Blue," and "Round and Round." (Unless I totally change my mind.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, that's the same Sugaclip I already heard. Its r&b burr is a good burr, actually sounds more Pink (and a lot stronger) than Stashy does. I'm leaning towards "good" on this one, for the chorus, though (ssshhh) there can be something a bit wooden about the Sugababes.

I'm not sure that the U.S. has a Dido equivalent: Sheryl and Alanis would be occupying that social spot, but neither is hitting big at the moment. Maybe the spot is currently occupied by Kelly Clarkson heaving her voice and guts at us. (She seems to be occupying twenty or so spots.) Hooray for us!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of teen-pop (a la dido) for british grownups, the album i talk about below (initially on the country thread) comes out the US finally this week, apparently. i'm not sure what kind of audience they're going to reach for here, but the teen-introspection audience wouldn't be far off. who are her british fans? didn't she have, like, five hit singles over there last year or something like that? (By the way, the black horse song is the one where she refuses the marriage proposal of a horse that is black. It'd be weirder if she said yes):

I would also like to ask our English friends for thoughts about Mercury Prize nominee KT Tunstall, whose imminent (here) *Eyes to the Telescope* (especially "Suddenly I See" and maybe "Miniature Disasters" and "Heal Over" so far; "Universe & U" kinda stinks) I have been enjoying this weekend in a sort of vaguely jazz-folky post-Laura Nyro/Rickie Lee Jones stewardess-pop (stole that idea from an old Xgau Quarterflash review!) sort of way, which is to say approx. 15 percent country maybe, though I could see her appealing to an '06 US country audience if they heard her. Have no idea how she's heard or thought of in England. If I pay closer attention to the words will I hate her? I am sort of scared of that.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), January 1st, 2006.

The KT Tunstall tracks I don't like are probably more Natalie Merchant than to Nyro/Rickie Lee. Second most energetic and therefore likeable song after "Suddenly I See" (which is a real good dance track) might be "Black Horse and the Cherry Tree," with its sort of Diddley beat.

-- xhuxk (xedd...), January 2nd, 2006.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Teenpop died because it was taken over by the media whores and music industry nazis.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link

oops left this out:

Joseph, is "Black Horse and Cherry Tree" really about a horse asking KT to marry him, and she says no? That's what she seems to be singing about. Wacky! Though it would be even wackier if she said yes! Also, tracks # 2,3, and 8 have good power-ballad buldups, I have decided.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), January 3rd, 2006.

is "Black Horse and Cherry Tree" really about a horse asking KT to marry him, and she says no?
Yup: Her black horse is Joni Mitchell's Coyote, I figure.
-- Joseph McCombs (jmccomb...), January 4th, 2006.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Xhuxk, KT is Scottish. Frank, my kneejerk reaction to the Pink video was a sick little thrill. True, all you say about how calling bullimics "stupid" isn't exactly the best way to approach the situation, but I'd say Pink is mocking not the disease itself, but the gross desire to be a size 2 and I think that comes across pretty clearly in context with the rest of the video. I'd wager to say that most outcast young women get a thrill from seeing the status quo being made fools of. The outcasts don't have the power to metaphorically flush the Barbies down the shitter -- I mean, they *do* but most are too fearful to attempt it. Pink's kind of like Eminem -- she's saying/doing what we secretly wish we had the balls to do. Who's gonna step to her? Jessica? Paris? Hells no. And it's about time their kind got called out for being little more than vapid dingbats. (I just wish I liked the actual *song* more.)

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh and the more I listen to Panic At the Disco, the more I really like the album. The vocals are very very much like Fall Out Boy but way more cohesive and the songs are much stronger.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Jeanne, did you see my Horrorpops question for you up above?

(Also, Scottish IS British, isn't it?) (Or are you saying that, for Scottish women, being propositioned by a horse is perfectly normal?)

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

(Is Scottish British? I never knew that.) And I feel the same about the Horrorpops as you do. I remember feeling the same way about their first album, too. It's one of the dudes from Necromantix, I believe. They're definitely listenable and I'd probably have fun at their live show, but the songs don't stick. They need to be more tantalizing or something. There's just nothing pulling me in.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but Scottish isn't English (even if both Scots and English are variations on ye olde Anglo-Saxon).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I know, but I figured that since KT was Mercury Prize nominated, "our English friends" might know about her. (Does the MP cover all of Great Britain, then, not just England? I guess it must.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

The Kelly Clarkson album has been getting me back into the Hold Steady's Separation Sunday. Not that Kelly and Craig don't have a lot not in common, but there's stuff they share, too, each telling the other's story backwards. When Kelly arrived she was flying high, but when she left she was defeated and depressed. Separation Sunday is about a girl called Holly who goes down into drugs and addiction but in the end achieves a resurrection*; Breakaway is about a girl called Kelly who claims a resurrection right off and then goes down into codependency and dysfunction, ends either with her crying out in despair (if you count "Hear Me" as the real conclusion and the live "Beautiful Disaster" as an add-on) or with her declaring her love for the thing that's been fucking her up all along. (Well, there's strings attached to every single lover.)** But you wonder where Craig is in all of this; like isn't the subtext that Holly is his beautiful disaster? Where's Craig's story, Craig's resurrection? (The old joke about the codependent is that when an addict is drowning, her life flashes in front of her eyes, whereas when her codependent lover is drowning, it's the addict's life that flashes in front of his eyes, not his own.)

*some ambiguity, though, as to whether Holly's resurrection is a living one or occurs after death, e.g., she stopped loving dope today, they placed a wreath upon her door, perhaps.

**I assume that Breakaway is basically a collection of songs rather than a concept album, and the song order has as much to do with sound and mood as anything; so the story that gets inadvertently told is just the way the songs happened to fall. But even on random play you get the basic story, the anguish is so prevalent. And being good pop music, there's always another story anyway, 'cause there's usually a dance and an enticing come-on no matter what the words are saying, and there's always a voluptuousness of sound, even in despair. Especially in despair.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Funny, the recurring girl-character in the new Yellowcard album is also named Holly. Actually, if I'm not mistaken... it's Holly Wood.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Better "Holly" than "Morning"

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

KT's lesbian following

KT Tunstall says she has a big lesbian following after 'accidentally' wearing rainbow braces on the cover of her album.

"I have a massive lesbian following," she told the Mirror. "There's always a gay crowd up the front at my gigs. It's a huge compliment. No one thinks Katie Melua is gay.

"I think it's because I'm a singer-songwriter with a personality - balls and some sassiness."

KT believes she unintentionally sent out mixed messages about her sexuality when she wore a pair of rainbow-patterned braces - a gay symbol - on her record cover.

She says she only realised the implications when a friend in the U.S. sent her a text saying: "The girls in San Francisco are loving your braces."

KT adds: "I was onstage in Dublin when I heard a girl in the crowd shout: 'KT, you're a lesbian!' What the hell do you say to that? I didn't want to upset the lesbians but I didn't want to make out I was one.

"I said: 'You can't say that!' Then I realised that none of the other 1,500 people there had heard her. So I said: 'That girl just called me a lesbian.'

"At the end of the gig, a roadie handed me a note from the woman. It said: 'KT, I was saying 'legend'."

Copyright © 2006 Ananova Ltd

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Everyone should refer to John Legend as John Lesbian. Except that would make him interesting.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't worry, there's a band in the Czech Republic called Support Lesbiens, and they're not even remotely interesting.

As a side note - Delays - Valentine. What we r reckon to this, then?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Hang on, when I was in Best Buy the other day, I looked at the cover of the KT Tunstall album and it was in black and white. WHY CAN'T WE GET THE LESBIAN COVER? Amazon lists it as the "import" version. Here's the regular one:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000DN5VJY.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd wager to say that most outcast young women get a thrill from seeing the status quo being made fools of.

Well, making fun of dumb blondes seems pretty status quo to me. (As opposed to raping and killing your mom, which is Eminem's idea of the forbidden.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

You tell those outcast young women, Frank!

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, now I'm fixated on this. Here's the lesbian import KT Tunstall cover.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0007A0GD4.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it'd be cool if Pink didn't spend the majority of her video lampooning half-naked female icons half-naked, and fleshed out her basic platitudes (though that's ALWAYS been a problem with her), but I'm glad she's asking for something that's pretty reasonable rather than talking about raping and killing her dad or something. "My Vietnam" was more than enough "forbidden."

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Really, the only thing that makes her not Britney Spears is that she says she's not Britney Spears. Weird clothes, weird collaborators, genre futzing, claims of empowerment and pain, all B.S. territory.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

That said, Britney didn't really highlight these qualities until after Pink's big album.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you for real?? Little Miss NYLA is a poster child for naivete. She's a *kid*. Pink's got much more know-how about her. Plus balls, a sense of humor, and sure-fire ability to rock.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Wm Bl Swygart: That Website wants me to do something I don'y do for no Website: download software. So could you give a description of the vid?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Pink's got much more know-how about her.

That's gotta be a pretty relative scale. And Pink sure acts like a *kid* with her license plate reading No. 1 Superstar and her comparing her life to Vietnam because her mom's going to change her last name and her family won't pretend they're all really happy. I didn't hear Try This, though.

Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

She's a *14-year-old*.

Fr Kog: links at the bottom of this page should prove more amenable.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Delays "Valentine": I like it. A guitar band that's playing what basically sounds like Hi-NRG Eurodancepop. The bass player is doing a subdued Moroder. The chorus kind of loses the feel, though: too arty in the chord selection, making the sound diffuse.

How is this sort of thing perceived in Britain? As just more indie poprock, or is the Hi-NRG dance sound recognized?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

My neighborhood branch of the public library just started carrying CDs; mainly country and pop, some Latino, no hip-hop. I checked out recent ones by Jo Dee Messina, Bobby Pinson, Ryan Cabrera, Kaiser Chiefs, expecting to like them in about that order, instead liking 'em in about the reverse. Messina: strong-voice country broad from Boston; two great singles, then a bunch of what would otherwise be blah if her voice weren't grating ("grating" becomes "caustic" and "powerful" when the songs are good). Pinson: a guitar growling deep in the rhythm, husky voice in with the guitar growl but doesn't surmount it; what might be interesting lyrics about being shaped by hardship and failure, but I'm skeptical as to whether I'll really find the words interesting when I give them a chance, and I might not give them a good chance before the due date. Actually, I feel that they're trying to bully me into a view of what makes up life. But maybe the fact that they're bugging me means there's something to them. Ryan Cabrera: See below. Kaiser Chiefs: first few lines of the first track immediately cracked me up; I'll say why below. Remind me of the Buzzcocks, humor mixed with rue, harmonies buzzing pleasingly, the most "poppy" (if not officially pop) melodies of the bunch. Most of the good songs come right at the start, and these guys, like the Buzzcocks, start to sound samey if you hear more than a few in a row. And they're not as good as the Buzzcocks, and they're emotionally timid, but certainly fun.

(Yeah, I know

Now, I won't pretend that Messina or Pinson are teenpop, but I bet lots o' Brit teens and teeny-weenies go for the Kaiser Chiefs. My impression is that their official category is "indie" (though they're major label).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

The "Yeah, I know" line was meant to go: "Yeah, I know that the album is probably about timidity, but that's no excuse."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

My London penpal Sarah Manvel emailed me a strong opinion about the Kaiser Chiefs, but I forget if she loved them or hated them.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I guess her opinion isn't that strong. She "likes" them. (But this is in comparison to a whole lot of other equally huge bands whom she considered just awful.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"Stupid Girl" sounds more like something from Pink's first album than anything since "Get The Party Started", and perhaps even more than that in terms of the vocal. I wonder to what extent she's happy with that and to what extent it's a forced manoeuvre (and I say that as someone who loved Can't Take Me Home).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The "Valentine" song struck me as one of those songs where it sounds like it's going somewhere exciting and then doesn't. They're definitely using guitars in interesting ways but the song seemed too unfocused. Maybe I need to listen to it again.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I wish they'd stuck with the verse and not even had a chorus, seen if they could have pushed somewhere through maniacal sweetness and repetition. But it's something interesting.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

> Remind me of the Buzzcocks<

Interestingly, I was just listening to the NEW Buzzcocks album *flat pack philosophy* today, and what's clear to me is that Pete Shelley's voice just doesn't hold up; he seemingly can't get it high or nasal or swishy enough to convey his old sweetness and manic excitement anymore. which might not be that big a surprise, except that i actually liked the buzzcocks's *modern* album in 1999 (or at least i did at the time; maybe if i pulled it out now, i wouldn't be so impressed.) band still sounds like they might be fairly tuneful, if not nearly as energetic as they once were. without shelley's voice, though, it just doesn't matter. i gave up after five or six songs.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Ryan Cabrera You Stand Watching: He's got a beautiful voice, would have done the soft-soul heartbreak of "Gone" better than Justin, would have done the mournfully chilly "To the Moon and Back" almost as well as Darren. I wish he would do songs like that, since there's nothing on here like those, and teen wail might not be his strong suit. "Sensitivity" is, but since the sensitivity is there in his voice anyway, the material is better off not playing it up. This album sounds somewhat anonymous, which I don't consider a flaw necessarily, but only four tracks have reached me so far ("From the Start," "Last Night," "Fall Baby Fall," and especially "Hit Me With Your Light"); since he's not blasting you or nailing you, I may get to feel more here after further listens. The lyrics are vague and generic romance stuff ("Love is it enough/I'll be your shelter when the weather is rough... It's not a fantasy, you can have everything, you can be loved"), which doesn't cripple the music but doesn't draw you in, either. He's not nearly as articulate about what it is to offer love than his ex–better half is at what it feels like to receive it; but then, that's hard to match, since "Pieces of Me" is maybe the sweetest, most charming song ever about what it feels like to be truly and thoroughly loved: "I am moody, messy, I get restless/And it's senseless/How you never seem to care/When I'm angry you listen/Make me happy it's your mission/And you won't stop till I'm there." That has meter and rhyme without losing the sense of someone just conversing; if you think something like that is easy to write, you try it. Of course, I don't know how many of those words are Simpson's and how many are Shanks' or DioGuardi's, and since I don't keep tabs on the teen tabs I don't know if she and Cabrera were yet an item when that song was written; even if they were, the song doesn't have to be referring to him or to anyone, it's a song after all. But I might as well imagine that it does, and that the guy's a sweetheart. Notice how this post ends up about Ashlee; you really didn't imagine it wouldn't, did you? (But a final thought about Ryan's music. He plays acoustic guitar, inserts Spanish touches, and this inspires me to think that maybe he should go to Mexico or Spain and find some swoony extravagant melodies to hang his handsome voice on.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you think if he changed his production style to be more soul-inflected it might go a long way? (Or is he already kinda soul-inflected? It's been a while since I heard any Cabrera.)

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and what made me laugh out loud when I started the Kaiser Chiefs album:

I've got to get this message to the press
That every day I love you less and less

It was refreshing after all that country be-a-tough-babe/this-is what-makes-a-man bullshit, and all that earnest romance.

xpost

Well, he's basically using a rock beat on this album, in keeping with contemporary teenpop, though he's not particularly trying to rock out. But that I heard Justin and Darren when I heard him might indicate that MJ-type soul could work.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont know how i feel about jack johnson, can we talk about him--he has a great smooth voice, and he has a sweet, gentle, genorus subtlety, and i kind of like his kids stuff for the curious george soundtrack, (way pre teen) but has anyone heard anything else, does his connections to john mayer make anyone nervous

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

*Aquamarine* soundtrack (not sure what the music's about), on first listen anyway, starts slow and way too mellow, with too many David Gray Jack Johnson Jason Mraz John Mayer type boys we never heard of before (well, two of em anyway) getting sensitive and too many girls doing the same (including Sara Paxton, which is disappointing after she was so boppy on last year's geat *Darcy's Wild Life* soundtrack), but things start to pick up a little for Emma Roberts's version of Weezer's "Island in the Sun" (not bad, though her "hip hip"s sound totally limp) and pick up for real for a three song stretch that starts with Courtney Jaye whoever she is misbehaving and ends with Mandy Moore who is almost an oldtimer by now covering Blondie and peaks, in great Hope Partlow Samantha Jo tradition with another GREAT summer song, "Summertime Guys" by longtime Disney pop C-lister Nikki Cleary, which has a killer rumbling bounce of a beat I can't put my finger on - not quite Bow Wow Wow, not quite Bo Diddley, but pretty close taxonomincally: early Sweet, maybe? I dunno, something like that. Album ends with the Stellastarr* dimwit doing his dumb but (very slightly) endearing imitation of Bowie after Bowie couldn't sing in his high register anymore (i,e, after Bowie started to suck), and he's no Andrew Eldritch let me tell you, then with a slimy piece of industrial bubblegum leachery called "I Like The Way" by the Bodyrockers which I predict some silly teenage girls will find sexy.

xhuxk, Friday, 17 February 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Chuck is totally OTM about that new Buzzcocks album. I had to check the liner notes to see if Shelley was still in the band!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

>(not sure what the music's about), <

actually this might be true but I meant I'm not sure what the MOVIE'S about (though I'm guessing it might concern going to the beach. Matter of fact, one of the 3 girls on the CD cover is a mermaid.) xp

xhuxk, Friday, 17 February 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

"Summertime Guys" written by Jeffrey W Coplan (who also produced it), Nikki Cleary, and Robert Ellis Orrall, the last of whom sort of existed on the commercial country/late-Creem powerpop cusp once upon a time and had a #32 Carlene Carter duet pop hit in 1983 with "I Couldn't Say No," and bigger country hits later than that I believe.

xhuxk, Friday, 17 February 2006 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Aquamarine trailer up via Apple - starring Emma Roberts and JoJo and someone else as a mermaid.

Abby (abby mcdonald), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I am not the kind of person to say this, but the mermaid is creepily sexualized. Buh.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I have been listening to the new Goldfrapp album and comparing it in my head to Madonna and Kylie and current British girlpop and it strikes me as actually trying to be teenpop for grownups, which is maybe why it's not that appealing to me. Ditto for the Madonna album. Maybe I should take this to the dance being too gay for American thread or something.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

One more thing on Cabrera (alb due back at the library tomorrow): Erlewine at allmusic thinks Cabrera was aiming this album as much at the Matchbox 20/Third Eye Blind crowd as at the teens, which makes sense - I mean, makes sense as an analysis, not as an artistic strategy. The singles from the album - "Photo" and "Shine On" - are far worse than the ones from his last; "Shine On" has some merit as a song but he overdoes the "passion" in his voice and it's irritating. I really wish he'd follow Michael Jackson (or even Timberlake) rather than the white AC balladeers, since they seem to know how to let the music deliver the passion without their having to push anguish forward out of the throat.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 18 February 2006 06:48 (eighteen years ago) link

"They" being Jackson and Timberlake, not the white balladeers.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 18 February 2006 06:51 (eighteen years ago) link


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