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Marc McMairy has used the slogan on his own line before, but the added exposure of having it sold in a huge retailer definitely raised enough eyebroes to push the controversy across a certain threshold that he was not able to handle. At the start of the backlash he doubled down and tweeted "MANIFEST DESTINY: SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST" because he's even more of an idiot than anyone suspected

I mean if you're looking to prove you're not racist you might want to refrain from coupling a belief of divinely ordained white superiority with fucking Darwinism

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 02:21 (eleven years ago) link

they really really downplayed the racist aspects of Manifest Destiny in my grade school history classes

*triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Friday, 19 October 2012 02:33 (eleven years ago) link

Gawd a'mighty! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST isn't even real Darwinism; it's from Herbert Spencer. Charles Darwin was a lot narrower and more specific in his definitions of evolutionary advantage. That's because Darwin was a real scientist, as opposed to Spencer who was a popularizer and a somewhat better-than-average hack.

Aimless, Friday, 19 October 2012 02:34 (eleven years ago) link

The thought that someone would sell a t-shirt with a slogan used to promote and encourage genocide is just baffling. Everyone involved with the production of that is a supreme asshole.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 19 October 2012 02:45 (eleven years ago) link

they really really downplayed the racist aspects of everything in my grade school history classes

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Friday, 19 October 2012 03:30 (eleven years ago) link

It reminds me of one of the speeches at the H4mmond High '96 graduation. The theme of the speech was that now that we were moving on from high school we couldn't turn back. The speaker illustrated this concept by telling the story about how Hernan Cortes, upon arriving in Mexico, instructed his crew to burn the ships, so they couldn't sail back to Europe. And he made a sort of rallying cry out of this, every few minutes punctuating a point by yelling "BURN THE SHIPS!" To be honest, I think a large part of the audience just didn't get it and was mostly put off by his yelling. But there were definitely those among us who realized the racist connotations of the conquest of the Americas. We had all come up with the guy since elementary school. He was a super-sweet guy and it was apparent that he just hadn't thought the whole thing through. But there you go.

sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Friday, 19 October 2012 08:57 (eleven years ago) link

wait how's life were you from md?

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Friday, 19 October 2012 08:59 (eleven years ago) link

did we go to the same HS/did we already have this convo

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Friday, 19 October 2012 08:59 (eleven years ago) link

We had this convo once!

sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:00 (eleven years ago) link

oh damn that was almost exciting

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:01 (eleven years ago) link

on this very thread!

rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:01 (eleven years ago) link

looooool

anyway yr story is reminding me of henry morgan, who has one of those freakishly long and detailed wikis that i got bored of reading a week ago. captain morgan rum is named after him and their recents ads have all played him out to look like jack sparrow/koolest dude, when actually he was just a privateer who pillaged caribbean islands at the behest of the british government

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:05 (eleven years ago) link

Well, at least they've moved on from "got a little captain in you".

sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Friday, 19 October 2012 09:20 (eleven years ago) link

i mean it's obvious mcnairy either didn't have the ability or the inclination to think this all the way through, and given his history of provocative slogans (he's made a bunch of accessories emblazoned with "fuck off" in loopy calligraphic script) he may have even wanted to blindly court a little controversy. but this product was being sold in the Gap & heavily promoted by GQ so it became very public. on the chance that anyone would defend that he was trying to 'reclaim' manifest destiny, as someone is likely to do, they're fucking stupid because it's not his to reclaim.

anyway in light of all this i've decided to stop production on my upcoming line of LEBENSRAUM t-shirts

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link

Was that to be a plus-size clothing line? "Finally, a pair of jeans that give me room to live".

the so-called socialista (dowd), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:54 (eleven years ago) link

guilty lols

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link

the designer is not even the only one to blame; someone from either GQ or the Gap should have spotted this and shut it down before it was even made

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link

this fuckn guyyyyy

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link

is that his new t-shirt?

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link

"sorry you were offended" is not an apology, when will people get it

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link

lol @ "hey, are you from md?" reoccurring on racist thread.

pplains, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link

^^ lives in glass house, btw.

pplains, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link

I sort of love this general human sentiment of "if I communicate a message in these words or terms than everyone is going to decode something that aligns EXACTLY w/ what I encoded, which is the only [or most correct] thing to decode, and if ppl decode something else--even if they are a large majority--then they, not I, must have done something wrong in this communication process"

bell biv devo (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

"and I'm really, really sorry that they decoded this erroneously"

bell biv devo (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link

the intersection of intentional fallacy & white privilege, basically?

real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Saturday, 20 October 2012 04:11 (eleven years ago) link

loads of entitlement to say "i have the right to apply these words to my fashion without doing a lick of research outside my own childhood nostalgia and then blame everyone else for knowing what they mean"

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Saturday, 20 October 2012 04:30 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfoQBTPY7gk

slugbuggy, Saturday, 20 October 2012 04:52 (eleven years ago) link

"there were plenty of fights / to win the land rights / but the west was meant to be / it was manifest destiny"

wtf

Chief Queef (stevie), Saturday, 20 October 2012 09:28 (eleven years ago) link

Remember this:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57802000/jpg/_57802534_rappaport2-1.jpg

Well now there's this

What's going on with these crazy Germans?

Ernest Metalchats (Tom D.), Saturday, 20 October 2012 10:24 (eleven years ago) link

The establishment theaters in Germany don't let anyone onstage who didn't go to a German theater school, pretty much -- as a result, German actors are an insanely homogenous group that includes nearly no one who isn't German and from a German background.

Three Word Username, Saturday, 20 October 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link

love how the excuse in both cases is that they couldn't find an elderly black actor, like they do know young black actors but it would be just preposterous for a young actor to play an old person

*triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Saturday, 20 October 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKiJMB-C-10

Three Word Username, Saturday, 20 October 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link

yeesh

*triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Saturday, 20 October 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

I for one am shocked that Germans would do anything racist.

LaMonte, Saturday, 20 October 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link

i was a little taken aback until i saw the £ instead of the $ and then it all kinda made sense.

charlie the luna (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

yeah I saw the white version of that in a costume store yesterday

Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

also, yes, forks, i'm pretty sure anything involving blackface is racist

charlie the luna (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link

or excuse me, snazaroo brand blackface

charlie the luna (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 22 October 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link

the snazaroo threw me

let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 October 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link

what the hell are the batteries for

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Monday, 22 October 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link

there's probably a little fan that keeps the costume inflated

infowars.go.com (los blue jeans), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 00:24 (eleven years ago) link

http://pinterest.com/source/stormfront.org/

sanskrit, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 01:02 (eleven years ago) link

ok not clicking that.

s.clover, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 01:21 (eleven years ago) link

to preemptively defend myself its just a random assortment of mundane images not unlike http://pinterest.com/source/ilxor.com/

i dont know what's weirder, racist women scrapbooking or unaware third parties repinning stuff not knowing where it eventually leads to.

sanskrit, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 02:19 (eleven years ago) link

kind of think it's google image search adds, which is one behavior you'd expect on pinterest, not everyone is just cultivating stuff from sites they know

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 02:30 (eleven years ago) link

the ilxor one is hilariously half the redhead thread (we had one, right?) and the vintage smash one

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 02:30 (eleven years ago) link


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