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but, um, the people i talked to on the phone were very nice. they just didn't know what the problem was.

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, Itunes is a pile of shite. Such a pain in the arse. Why isn't there a way to update your library without having to go and add all the folders again manually?? Why can't you add a folder to a playlist instead of having to drag all the songs in individually?

It works for me! on my MAC@!! :D

I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought this thread was for rants! i dont work for apple, my roommate does and i have to listen to his rants, sorry guys.

silas althor, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Also!!

Apple website was broken when I was trying to get my fucked Ipod (which arrived that way in the mail) replaced and it wouldn't set up an account to register the Ipod to, and the phone operators needed my account details before they would do anything.

In the end I wrote a bitchy email, and to their credit they did get it sorted pretty quickly.

Re Itunes,

I figured Mac users would have it better. It's so stupid, you can add folders to your Library, but not to Playlists. So if you have a folder with, e.g. your fave hardcore punk songs, that you want to put on your Ipod, you'd have to add the folder to the Library and then go through the Library searching for each song individually by artist! WTF!! Unless I go through and retag each song and change the album to "Fave punk songs" or something.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

they bounce up and down a bit when i'm running

[sniggers like a six-year-old at juvenile out-of-context fnarr-ness; composes self]

see, being very old-fashioned and paranoid [1], i've never run with my iPod. indeed, i bought a Shuffle expressly for the gym. i kind-of figured that jogging about with a small and delicate hard disk wasn't a good idea.

but then everyone else in the world seems to exercise with their iPod, so ... i'm sure i'm just overly paranoid.

i also bought some of this after i broke the first one. i heartily recommend it.

[1] although stupid enough to let my drunk friends fuck about with my powerbook at 6am on monday. gaaah. i came so close to losing you, by beloved.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Can you open the folder and select all files, and then drag it to the list.

Unless I go through and retag each song and change the album to "Fave punk songs" or something.
This is the insane shit PC users do that makes me mental.

I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

No, that's the thing, you can't add songs to Playlists from explorer, only from the Library. So you can't select files. You CAN import playlists from Winamp, so I just do that, but I shouldn't have to!

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

uh. the problem is with your understanding of how iTunes works. If you want to add a folder of your fav. punk tunes, simply use the Add To Library function, select the folder and click Add. Then sort your library by date added and all the songs you just added will be at the top. Select and drag them over to the iPod. It's really easy. Rather than get mad at the program and the platform in general, learn how to use it properly.

biz, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I know a lot of people who run with ipods, so I didn't think that would be a problem. I've thought of getting a shuffle, but if my regular ipod won't work I don't feel inclined to throw another hundred dollars at a similar product. (I spent my summer interning at a nonprofit and I'm about to spend a few hundred on textbooks...don't have lots of cash to throw around right now. That's kind of why I'm so pissed off at the "buy a $30-50 piece of computer equipment, because it might help and it can't hurt.")

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought this thread was for rants! i dont work for apple, my roommate does and i have to listen to his rants, sorry guys.

http://home.egge.net/~savory/wolfschf.jpg

donut gon' nut (donut), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i run 5 days a week with my shuffle and have done for about 8 months now. never had one problem. my 40G iPod was a bit trickier to run with though.

biz, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

the first time i used isync it erased every contact in my phone and replaced it with old, out of date numbers that are in my computer. :(

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

id murder you im frestyle

best chest-thump ever

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I wanted to love Apple. I was so impressed with them after I dropped my ipod on the pavement and then ran over it on my bike at 20 mph and it remained completely functional.

I'd heard good reviews from my friends and was tired of the constant crashing of Windows XP, so I finally broke down and bought an iMac. It arrived today, and my whole family gathered around to watch me open it. My mother and father--who hate Apple, although they don't really know why, and had fought me tooth and nail to buy another Dell-- actually oohed and ahhed and as I extracted the sleek, self-contained desktop from the box.

Setup took less than a minute, and I was so excited to start it up it felt like fucking Christmas. Of course, something went wrong. No matter how many times I rebooted it, all the screen displayed (in truth, all it would ever display) was an error message in four languages on a dull grey screen.

I spent several hours on the line with a condescending Applecare representative who mumbled constantly and in one instance told me which key to hold down by pronouncing the sound of the letter rather than its name (note: "ssssssss" does not really carry well over the phone), and then berated me for misinterpreting his instructions. After zeroing the hard drive and reinstalling twice, he finally concluded that my brand spanking new computer was totally fucked. I'm moving to Brooklyn in less than 7 days, and come Monday I'll have to ship it back to Apple and pray the new one arrives before the moving van.

It is a such cocktease, sitting there on my desk, taunting me with its terrible, inoperable beauty. I hate you, Apple.

Laura H. (laurah), Sunday, 28 August 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I tried to use the Tiger disks that came with my Powerbook to install Tiger on the lively Emma B's 2002 iBook, but it won't install, because it's a different model of machine, despite the fact that every previous installer has always worked on any machine, and this is clearly an artificial roadblock designed to get me, or her, to buy a shrinkwrapped $130 copy of an operating system that I already own. I hate you, Apple.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 28 August 2005 06:56 (eighteen years ago) link

There's this thing called Bit Torrent...

the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Sunday, 28 August 2005 06:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Laura, you might be better off waiting until you're in Brooklyn and visiting the NYC Apple store. Apple has a 14-day DOA warranty where they'll replace your computer with one out of Apple Store stock (if it isn't customized) on the spot.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 28 August 2005 07:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to switch my files over before I move, which I won't be able to do afterwards because I'm sharing one power cord with my father between our two Dell laptops.

They had better be able to rush the new iMac.

Laura H. (laurah), Sunday, 28 August 2005 07:14 (eighteen years ago) link

i was sorta annoyed at how slow this new powerbook was running compared to my old thinkpad until i realized it was doing everything on like 1/6th the RAM.

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 28 August 2005 07:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Mine flies with 768 megs of RAM.

I am looking forward to buying a Mac Mini so I can get rid of mp3 stuff on this one.

the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Sunday, 28 August 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
can't get it out of network boot mode at startup

can't seem to reset PRAM (no idea why it won't do it).

would like to smash it with a hammer, and might even have to suffer the expense and final humiliation of getting someone to look at it JUST SO I CAN REINSTALL OSX & THEN SELL IT.

Mac 'problems' are SO MUCH more intractable than Windows it's not even funny.

Going to bed at maximum pissed off.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

What do you have set in "Startup Disk" in System Preferences? If you set it to Macintosh HD, the network boot issue should go away. (If it's refusing to boot, hold down option at power-on, and choose yr hard disk from that).

How do you know the PRAM isn't resetting? Have you tried resetting it from Open Firmware?

I agree that 'problems' should be in quotes.

Going to bed with a girl.

stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link

can't get into sys prefs.. can't even boot the install CD.

holding down option at power on give me a nice padlock though. Something amiss in open firmware? That'll be fun to break.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link

well... I changed to open firmware password (dredging it from very deep down in my memory) and I'm back on course.

Cheers stet, I am BACK IN CONTROL. That felt bleak :(

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

how did you create such a situation?

(intractable problems also, sometimes, means *good security* that is unfortunately un-userproof -- like all *nixes)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Asus hates Apple :(

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 10:47 (eighteen years ago) link

hi, i'm typing this from the apple store (killing some time using their wifi). since i got here they've played sarah maclachlan and smash mouth, and showed a loop of ipod commercials on a projection screen.

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

omg there's this horrible woman giving a presentation now: "if you're coming from windows, you might not KNOW that the desktop art is called your 'desktop' -- you call it 'wallpaper'!!"

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Are there cute girls at the apple store?

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Because I need a new keyboard....

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Obviously I set an Open Firmware password way back when ^_^ It was all my fault.

Waht exactly that accomplishes security wise when I have been able to wipe & reinstall the machine many times without being asked for it(??) I am not sure, but it said "security" so I added it.

That above post is a shining example of "things not to try when you should have been going to sleep already"... embarrased.

Anyway, in the process I finally realised (after some googling) putting Linux on this thing isn't going to be feasible after all. The WIFI will NEVER work, because Apple/The airport card manufacturers simply won't allow drivers to be written for it for other people.

So finally I have my definitive reason to sell it. Goodbye iBook.

APPLE ARE YOU READING THIS? THE 'FINDER' IS *SO* BROKEN THIS EX-WINDOWS USER CANNOT, AFTER MONTHS OF TRYING TO ADJUST, LIVE WITH IT ON A DAILY BASIS WITHOUT -EXTREME- FRUSTRATIONS AND IS ACTUALLY (NOW i CAN'T USE LINUX INSTEAD) GOING TO GO AS FAR AS REVERTING TO THE INTEL/WINDOWS WORLD WITH A LOSS OF MONEY TO MYSELF & PUT UP WITH VIRUSES & INSTABILITY & CRAP OF WINDOWS... BECAUSE IT'S _STILL_ A BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO TRYING TO USE THE (OTHERWISE GREBT!) OS X OPERATING SYSTEM WITH A *MIND-BOGGLINGLY AWFUL FILE BROWSER*. AND SOME OTHER PROBLEMS, BUT THEY ARE SMALL BEER IN COMPARISON TO THE 'FINDER' ISSUE.

(the finder 'alternatives' ALL suck massively too)

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Are there cute girls at the apple store?

there used to be a cute "genius" but i don't see her around today.

mies van der rohffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

The Finder, fandango? Do you spend all your time moving files about? I hardly ever use it, certainly not enough to move to Windows just because it's buggy (which it is).

stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't get it

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I used the Finder enough to bump into it's bugs, illogicality and generally unbelievable levels of annoyingness on a daily basis, yes.

Without it being fixed, replaced or viable alternatives becoming available. It actually IS enough to make me switch platforms unfortunately. The whole Apple users always downplaying it's importance (and the importance of anything else wrong with OS X - see,hear,speak no evil about it) is something I find kind of hilarious.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

There's some technical rantage here, but I have a long list of my own issues too.

http://daringfireball.net/2003/05/steaming_pile
http://daringfireball.net/2002/11/that_finder_thing

If it works for you, I'm happy! But I find it genuinely un-liveable-with. Ho hum.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yea, I never saw any of those as being super annoying....

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, like I said I have a list of my own somewhere... I just never mangaged to get to the point of being able to tolerate it's overwhelming shittiness.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i agree about the finder -- horrible. for instance, try downloading a file in safari. click on the little magnifying glass next to the filename in safari's downloads window. up pops the enclosing finder window. SOMETIMES, single-clicking on this file makes that finder window 1) scroll to an indetermined place and 2) select everything between the original file and this new place, so if one happened to, say, double-click to, i dunno OPEN THE FILE ONE JUST DOWNLOADED, every item selected will open. disk images, pdfs, photoshop documents etc. all at once. this has happened to me more times than i can count. i really am very frustrated with that. and the fact that every time i turn my computer on the files on my desktop are moved around, like someone's been rifling through my stuff.

have you tried pathfinder, fandango? i think it's sweet. you can even quit the finder while you're running it.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Tracer, I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. God, I'm dumb. :-(

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Tracer, that is the correct behavior.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

no, you're blessed! it's not important, i just needed to rant for a moment..

xpost ?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Tracer, double clicking is the same as hitting apple+O. How else are you supposed to open multiple items with just the mouse?

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

why is the finder selecting multiple items and scrolling my finder window when all i'm doing is clicking once on one file? that's the problem here.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

xposts - I didn't use Safari much. It's more consistent & integrated with the UI and OS X generally, but Firefox was still faster and more logical (if a bit rough around the edges).

Pathfinder didn't really solve all my issues Tracer, it felt to me like what it was: a buggier, overfeatured & inconsistently thought-out, third-party replacement for something that shouldn't need replacing.

I mean I know some people have problems with (for comparison) Windows Explorer's performance & bugs... but I never ever got to the point of desperately wanting to try alternative shells like I did with 'Finder'.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

why is the finder selecting multiple items and scrolling my finder window when all i'm doing is clicking once on one file? that's the problem here.

Do you have a logitech mouse?

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

the most pervasive problems with OSX aren't issues once you realize that that the window contents don't update right away. Sometimes I'll click on a file and just move through the files with the arrows to make sure they're all updated, THEN click on what I want to open.

What's probably happening to you Tracer is that when you click on the file, you're telling the window to redraw it's contents, which often will change file positions, and always creates a weird second copy of the file for a second, so if you just double click, things are moving around, you'll get files you don't want.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

when you view files by "details" or "list" or whatever it's called, try selecting a couple of files to move them elsewhere; WHY IS THIS SO FUCKING HARD TO DO? Maybe it picks them up, maybe it doesn't. I'm assuming it's that the finder doesn't want you to move files around when you're viewing them this way. But that's fucking stupid. I want to be able to easily sort my files by most recently updated, grab the latest ones, and move them to another server. Apple you make this painful.

the most pervasive problems with OSX aren't issues once you realize that that the window contents don't update right away.

this is fucking stupid too

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

the most pervasive problems with OSX aren't issues once you realize that that the window contents don't update right away.

This IS ass-backwards, but it's fixed in Tiger apparently.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

file lists in the finder are updated instantaneously in tiger, so i'm not sure i get it. in any case, it's very very annoying.

jon, i'm not using a mouse at the moment, i'm using the trackpad.

xpost right.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link


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