Oh boy, ILX! That's where I'm a viking!..?

STOP IT JUST STOP IT

Viking of Dreams II: The Next Generation

It's natural to hear "that's where I'm an X" and assume that the gesture towards a location is just metaphorical for a context in which the speaker is an X.

This is a little unclear. I meant,

It's natural to hear "that's where I'm an X" and assume that the gesture towards a location is just metaphorical for "When it comes to that, I'm an X."

No really, STOP THIS MADNESS.

to sleep, perchance to dream

fuck I ate ALL the popcorn during the last round of this

OK, I'm done. ;) *lets sleeping dogs lie*

sleeping dog vikings

this is seriously one of the best threads ever

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fuck dude i had no idea

Nothing has ever been the same, since this thread. Every thread I read, I think, sure, there seems to be a general consensus here that this is a good album I should check out...but a general consensus are also "dreamers." You can't trust anyone.

Haha yeah. Sometimes I start to get angry when somebody holds an unreasonably dumb opinion about music but now I just need to remind myself that at least a third of the posters here are full-time trolling or just can't parse a simple sentence correctly.

"viking" is never used as a metaphor for "champ"

U&K

Yep, this thread changed everything. Before, I used to be a staunch supporter of democracy, but what happened here made me realize how democracy can turn into a tyranny of masses, how it can be used to impose one "truth", one rigid frame of reference over a reality that's by its very nature amorphous.

sund4r, see the post upthread where someone describes his kid using it exactly like that.

no he doesn't.

I think we should come up with good, snappy names for the two camps here. How about literalists (those who think Ralph is literally saying he's a viking in his dreams) versus metaphorists (those who think Ralph is using "viking" as a metaphor of being good at something)?

you are not a viking at coming up with good, snappy names

or how about english speakers and psychotics?

he postulates something sketchy about comparative emphasis used in the phrasing iirc

While searching the web to see if David Cohen has ever addressed this question, I came upon this thread on another board, where the same issue is discussed. And here's a quote from that thread:

This morning, unaware of this debate and unprompted, my 7-year-old son sang, to the tune of Queen's "We Are The Champions"

WEEEEEE ARE THE VIIIIIKIINNGGGSSSS!!!

He equates the word "viking" with the concept "champion"

Greg wins.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

― Tuomas, 30. huhtikuuta 2010 15:26 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no it doesn't.

huhtikuuta 2012

make it stop

http://www.lastplanetojakarta.com/forums/index.php/topic,8708.375.html

I miss A B C

I came upon this thread on another board, where the same issue is discussed

I can't believe Tuomas's supporting argument is from a LPTJ forum

there is no way that could be any more perfect

Bart is saying that HE doesn't have a cow, he's just dropping the 'I'

By "came upon this thread" does tuomas mean that he simply found the thread or that he posted ("came") all over it and ruined it?

i've neutralised most of my rage by telling myself anybody arguing for the non-literal interpretation is just taking the piss

that's how i feel about rothko, nv

after some years of reflection the main problem of the literalists is the assumption that ralph will be dreaming when he sleeps

I like the idea that the dudes who translate the Simpsons are some kind of interpretive geniuses, or even competent. What a wonderful world that would be.

to sleep, perchance to be a viking

These are the geniuses who translated the "D'oh!" "A deer!" gag as:

Homer: Nein!
Lisa: Ein Hirsch!
Marge: Ein weiblicher Hirsch!

that's how i feel about rothko, nv

sir, the paintings are not on trial

such an easy mistake to have made xp

hahahaha TWU

How about literalists (those who think Ralph is literally saying he's a viking in his dreams) versus metaphorists (those who think Ralph is using "viking" as a metaphor of being good at something)?

You could just call them 'right' and 'wrong'.

"viking" is never used as a metaphor for "champ"

Minnesotans know this instinctively.

;_;

EDITED:

Arquette had such a look of gratitude when the restaurant guy says what he says, and she has it again (though a little more ambiguous--there's a trace of "You're telling me this now?") when Hawke thanks her at Mason's graduation party; she really is overlooked by almost everyone in her life.

― clemenza, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 7:31 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

she really is overlooked by almost everyone in her life

this point was not lost on me btw
i didn't type it out bc it was too depressing (and i thought clear?!) but yeah

― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 7:42 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Arquette had such a look of gratitude when the restaurant guy says what he says

I like your read of the scene and all, but I did not get that from Arquette at all.

― a guy named Christian White who represents the typical white Christian (Eric H.), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 8:01 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To me it felt like a mix of gratitude and surprise/shock. The one thing I'll say is that I think it's a film that deserves a second look; felt I got much more out of it the second time. (The three hours went by unusually quickly, too.)

― clemenza, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 8:26 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Arquette had such a look of gratitude when the restaurant guy says what he says

I'm with Eric, it was more like "Who IS this guy?"

― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 10:57 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm with Eric, it was more like "Who IS this guy?"

It's possible to think both: "Wow, that's sweet. Who IS this guy?"

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 10:59 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if I'm correctly assuming you wouldn't have gotten "Mom realizes she will die alone" from the crying

I might have, I might not have. I prefer it that way. (To use an exaggerated example, Stanley Kramer always tells me exactly what to think.)

― clemenza, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:13 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd have to look at it a third time to be sure--I'd never even considered the other possibility--but to me it seemed clear that Arquette knew who the restaurant guy was.

― clemenza, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:14 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Because she's a teacher and she remembers people!! It's a job skill. Her transformation from student to teacher was rly poignant IMO.

― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:19 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean, I sometimes have a hard time remembering students when they come up to me five years after they've left my school--sometimes just the name, but sometimes who it even is--but there you're talking about people I knew when they where 12 or 13 who are now 18; the change is sometimes incredible. I thought the restaurant guy looked more or less the same as when he was working on Arquette's house.

― clemenza, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:24 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

For the record, she didn't teach that guy for an entire year. More like she said two sentences to him while standing outside her house.

― a guy named Christian White who represents the typical white Christian (Eric H.), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 12:23 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's all we see, but fair point--we don't really know how long he's been doing work for her. Could be a few weeks, but maybe it was just one afternoon.

― clemenza, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 12:53 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i really don't think they showed her advising a guy to go to school and then showed him thanking her for advising her to point out that she DIDN'T remember him

this is a richard linklater movie not a todd solondz movie

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 12:56 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it was part of the whole "belated appreciation of mom" element of the last part of the film, and it resonated for me

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 12:57 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know! But it isn't absurd to think she might have remembered him bc they had a meaningful interaction.

― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ll you were x-posting to eric, right? cuz i'm definitely on Team Mom Recognized Waiter (at least by story, if not on sight).

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:17 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

as a teacher myself who also sometimes forgets students I learned it takes a while to develop the public face when a stranger approaches and praises me; Arquette captured that awkwardness.

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:22 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm definitely on Team Mom Recognized Waiter

let's have a softball game

― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

as a teacher myself who also sometimes forgets students I learned it takes a while to develop the public face when a stranger approaches and praises me; Arquette captured that awkwardness.

otm. my mom was a prof and used to laugh about these kinds of public interactions. If anything I think she'd be more apt to remember this guy's story than she would a student she didn't have much personal interaction with.

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:29 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otherwise the implication would be that arquette was blithely going around pitching night school to everyone she meets, and i don't think that was the intended takeaway

― da croupier, Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:30 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omg eff u urbandictionary submitter guy:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=that%27s%20where%20I%27m%20a%20viking

Urban dictionary, that's where Mr. Whim is a viking.

nah he explains clearly enough: While obviously meaning that he is a viking in his dream, it has been reinterpreted by nerds to mean that Ralph excels at sleep, and describes himself as a "viking" in that field.

did we do this one?

Delighted to announce that I’ve cleared all of this up for everyone. Have a great weekend. pic.twitter.com/VKuZt1FyI5

— SimpsonsQOTD (@SimpsonsQOTD) June 8, 2018

has Jordan Peterson ever given his opinion on the meaning of 'that's where I'm a viking'? I feel like he could be the guy to settle this once and for all

i think hes given enough succour to americans eager to embrace their norse ideals

lol