Indefinite Detention? But I Have Soccer Practice at 4: U.S. Politics 2012

(Spoiler alert, sorry)

Bookmarkable US Politics Thread v3.1: blah blah Big Bird etc

new thread apparently

No that's really the part III Elections thread.

Greenwald linkage should probably stay in here.

Shouldn't the title of that 3.1 thread say "US Elections" in it and not "US Politics" . Mod should change it.

yeah it should say "Elections"

not that it really matters

The transubstantiation miracle by which the "politics" thread is actually the intended "election" thread is, of course, the ultimate in symmetry.

Republicans were aiming to embarrass the Obama administration over State Department security lapses. But they inadvertently caused a different picture to emerge than the one that has been publicly known: that the victims may have been let down not by the State Department but by the CIA. If the CIA was playing such a major role in these events, which was the unmistakable impression left by Wednesday’s hearing, having a televised probe of the matter was absurd.

The chairman, attempting to close his can of worms, finally suggested that “the entire committee have a classified briefing as to any and all other assets that were not drawn upon but could have been drawn upon” in Benghazi.

Good idea. Too bad he didn’t think of that before putting the CIA on C-SPAN.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-letting-us-in-on-a-secret/2012/10/10/ba3136ca-132b-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_story.html

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/11/wisconsin_goper_some_girls_rape_easy/

I have no coherent words to say about this

“Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy.

isn't this a Rolling Stones lyric

I think you're confusing it with Mick's line about "some Puerto Rican girls that are just dying to rape you."

It's incredible to contrast the tone of his original quote with that of his official statement.

Rahm Emanuel pretends that Obama didn't speak out against Bush detention/ surveillance policy in 2008:

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/16/rahm_emanuel_takes_liberal_base_bashing_to_a_whole_new_level/

http://nymag.com/news/politics/elections-2012/tea-party-2012-10/

Frank Rich has the blues:

This is a nation that loathes government and always has. Liberals should not be deluded: The Goldwater revolution will ultimately triumph, regardless of what happens in November.

Sorry if this is already been linked to or discussed on one of the many other US politics threads

The Goldwater revolution will ultimately triumph

http://blog.timesunion.com/running/files/2010/08/knight3.jpg

frank rich needs to calm down

frank rich will NOT calm down!

Brookings blogdick upset that the new NY Times public editor wants to "challenge" the righteousness of the US drone campaign:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/15/drones-brookings-media

During that Republican electoral debacle, Richard Hofstadter, the historian who would famously stigmatize the right as embodying “the paranoid style in American politics,” wrote in The New York Review of Books that Goldwater represented “a very special minority point of view which is not even preponderant in his own party.” He added: “When, in all our history, has anyone with ideas so bizarre, so archaic, so self-confounding, so remote from the basic American consensus, ever gone so far?” As it happened, Ronald Reagan, the most enthusiastic and eloquent of Goldwater exponents, would be elected governor of California just two years later.

two uneventful years

especially in california

"as it happened"

on answering tough questions, or How Paul Ryan Is Like Madeleine Albright and John Brennan (also, Saddam Hussein)

http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003641.html

joe klein, brave defender of american 4-year-olds:

SCARBOROUGH: "This is offensive to me, though. Because you do it with a joystick in California - and it seems so antiseptic - it seems so clean - and yet you have 4-year-old girls being blown to bits because we have a policy that now says: 'you know what? Instead of trying to go in and take the risk and get the terrorists out of hiding in a Karachi suburb, we're just going to blow up everyone around them.'

...

KLEIN: "If it is misused, and there is a really major possibility of abuse if you have the wrong people running the government. But: the bottom line in the end is - whose 4-year-old get killed? What we're doing is limiting the possibility that 4-year-olds here will get killed by indiscriminate acts of terror."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/23/klein-drones-morning-joe

no chance a drone can destroy a TV studio eh

wow, what a piece of shit

scarborough is tacking left for the election or he's always been not so cool w/ drones?

that's always been the calculus of bombing campaigns

i guess scarborough is cool with it if the planes have pilots?

Scarborough likes Obama and Obama policies, but he has to backtrack every so often to give off the appearance he's still a reliable conservative voice in a liberal wasteland.

four year olds like Joe Klein.

We need a rolling drone thread

droning drones 2012

I would be cool with a scenario wherein an American pundit was executed every time a civilian was killed by an American drone

Opinion might shift somewhat in the media

Well, if we eliminate David Gergen we lose clemenza; if we eliminate Chris Hayes, Morbs and I bite the dust.

what if obama had to personally attend the funerals of all the innocent civilians

Aim all drones at Wolf Blitzer.

this'll all be over soon

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/plan-for-hunting-terrorists-signals-us-intends-to-keep-adding-names-to-kill-lists/2012/10/23/4789b2ae-18b3-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_print.html

Scarborough is auditioning for his 2016 run....this does NOT involve playing to the war crowd. (the thought of him running makes me so happy--google "Lori Klausutis" for why!)

Perpetual Drone War via "the disposition matrix," glory hallelujah:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/plan-for-hunting-terrorists-signals-us-intends-to-keep-adding-names-to-kill-lists/2012/10/23/4789b2ae-18b3-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_story.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/24/obama-terrorism-kill-list

I have a Republican in my life (okay, supposedly 'undecided voter') who is infuriated about the Libya situation. He's so angry that he can't even discuss it with me without stomping out bc I won't take it as seriously as him. It's hard to imagine ppl care about this tho. The supposed issue is that Obama "lied" about the cause of the attack. That he said the video caused it bc he wanted to deflect attention from the fact that it was actually a terrorist attack. I keep telling my Republican that we can consider it a terrorist attack whether or not it was caused by the video and that spontaneity has nothing to do w/ this category of 'terrorism,' but he just repeating over and over how horrific it is that the President lied and that it's the worst thing that ever happened. It's kinda frustrating having a conversation like this.

Scarborough was talking this morning about how happy he is with Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court. Also re drones, he's uttering a policy point of some conservatives-- that we should be manly and going in and capturing and torturing terrorists to get info out of 'em, not just killing them with drones.

sorry, didn't recognize the URL that k3vin k had posted

$1 billion seems awfully low

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/federal-prosecutors-sue-bank-of-america-over-mortgage-program/?hp

morbz, you don't know how lucky you are that you just have to argue w/ the obama apologists on ilx. i have a guy telling me every day now that obama is soft on terror bc of ft hood + benghazi. when i try to explain how many deaths of muslims obama is personally responsible for, how maybe he is too gung ho about the war on terror and should work on killing fewer ppl, this guy won't hear of it. and he's not even the worst! he's an undecided voter. when i talk to republicans i know they're all just living in hazes of psychotic violence + hate. that's like what? 48% of the country?

http://jimromenesko.com/2012/10/24/milwaukee-journal-sentinel-decides-not-to-endorse-in-presidential-and-senate-races/

what's the thinking behind this?

cowardice?

yup

mordy, yr friend is essentially right on benghazi tho. obama & his admin spun that it was the reaction to the film and therefore spontaneous and couldn't be planned for. oh these muslims are so irrational and these filmmakers are so fucked up. disgusting politics tho not exactly on the level of using an attack to launch a war against an unrelated country, say.

that's not his complaint though. his complaint is that they minimized that it was preplanned bc they wanted to deny that it was terrorism related bc obama is soft (for whatever reason, he isn't speculating) in prosecuting the war on terror.

isn't that the same complaint? if it was spontaneous there was no way to have known and planned against it.

he says that he understands a president can't prevent everything. he's more upset that he lied.

your friend's dumb, mordy. i have a friend like that too (tho he's actually a 'republican') and i've exhausted all my patience with this shit