libertarians vs republicans

definitely think flavors exist and that would definitely affect my preference

like i would much rather be trapped in a room for a week with Brink Lindsey than someone who gets 100% of their lolnews from FOX

might as well go religious right v republicans

this is well known and easily verifiable

how does one go about verifying that kind of categorical assertion?

I will vote in this poll only when I am allowed to pick all the remaining traits of this mythical person. Perhaps a catatonic libertarian would have social charms not common to the breed.

otoh i'd pick a Huntsman daughter a paranoid Pault**d

over a

other fanous libertarians include:

Jessica Biehl
Brittany Murphy (RIP)
Blake Lively
Maggie Q
Heather Locklear
Donna Summer
Amanda Peet
Marsha Warfield
Selena Gomez

the 'all libertarians are closet GOP operatives' meme is an extremely stupid one

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― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how does one go about verifying that kind of categorical assertion?

― Mordy, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 2:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well since were talking abt politics we could just go ahead and see how they vote

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― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha xp

so that proves what? that during presidential elections libertarians have tended (tho not unanimously) to vote for the republican candidate?

routinely getting 60-70% of any self-described demographic is about as close a lock in a coalition as you can get

until (long-time republican funder) ross perot showed up

More libertarians smoke weed but Republicans who smoke weed tend to smoke better weed.

ill leave to mordy the heavy lifting of untangling votes republican from republican

Donna Summer
Amanda Peet
Marsha Warfield

could totally chill with these women

it's reductive. jewish voters, or black voters, predominately vote (in even higher than 70%) for democratic candidates, but they aren't just democrats under a secret new name. self-identified environmentalists might end up predominately voting for democratic candidates in presidential elections, but might vehemently argue that they aren't democrats.

sure but theyd be wrong

is "smoke weed" code for "fiscal policy" or code for "smoke weed"?

i mean, i'm not making perfect links to libertarians, and i'm open to an argument that they're moreso republicans than other ideological, interest, or demographic groups are the party that they predominately vote for. but that graph does not make that case.

i mean its kinda like saying im not a regular at this bar i just come here all the time

"More libertarians smoke weed but Republicans who smoke weed tend to smoke better weed."

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well, no it's not. being a regular at a bar is synonymous w/ coming to it often. voting for a party is not synonymous w/ being a member of that party.

And truth be told, my dad is somewhere in that cloud nebula mix of asshole exburbanite libertarian/republican

And he roots for Michigan State, but we don't talk during that game.

(On a related note, said dad has major problems tipping appropriately, which has resulted in no few public arguments with multiple family members over the paltry amounts)

for instance, how about all the hard left voters who reconcile themselves to voting for the democrat every four years bc of 'lesser than two evils' argument but spend the next four years protesting that candidate? arguably this is the most common archetype to ILX and yet you'd claim that all those voters are actually democrats in denial?

I'm kind of making a NorCal joke there and yes by smoke weed, I mean ingest the psychotropic substances in cannabis

no – just ILXers

sure libertarianism is distinct from whatever melange of stuff plain 'ol conservatism is

but actually-existing libertarianism is a social and political phenomenon of the right, they know it, everybody knows it.

btw i was responding to the claim by some stupid blogger that ppl like conor friedersdorf, by criticizing obama, are doing so because they secretly want romney to win

Wow, Marsha Warfield is still alive? I thought she died years ago.

i mean its kinda like saying im not a regular at this bar i just come here all the time

What about if you're also a regular at another bar? The regulars at bar A who don't tray that much are Democrats, the people who are regulars but also regulars elsewhere are not quite the same.

for instance, how about all the hard left voters who reconcile themselves to voting for the democrat every four years bc of 'lesser than two evils' argument but spend the next four years protesting that candidate? arguably this is the most common archetype to ILX and yet you'd claim that all those voters are actually democrats in denial?

― Mordy, Wednesday, October 3, 2012 2:14 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they are part of the democratic coalition, the nature of any coalition is all the different groups that make it up are unhappy, there is no group thats ever super psyched abt everything that their party leadership does, how you vote defines which coalition youre a member of, voting is the be all end all of electoral politics

i'm helping a buddy run a political campaign and am going to check and see if this expensive voter database even has an option for libertarian.

I voted for Paul in '88 but have been solidly Dem since. Still prefer neoliberal economics to wealth distribution from young to old via entitlement, but my hot button issue is climate change (the only current issue that will matter to our grandchildren).

I would much prefer spending time in a locked room with a libertarian, who are at least motivated by principle. The average grassroots Republican is motivated by faith, which I hope becomes synonymous with credulity and stupidity before the Collapse.

The average grassroots Republican is motivated by victimhood.

the libertarian would work with you to break out of the room so as to overcome the tyranny of being locked up against their will

i dunno man, libertarians seem pretty faith-y about their magical sea tax-paradise.

as far as ideology on the axis of society/individual that goes so far to define the progressive/conservative split in america libertarians are squarely right, they are in many ways the furthest right of any republican interest group, believing totally in the primacy of the individual and basically refusing to admit that humans are social creatures at all, they may trend left on some issues but they are fundamentally the most purely republican of all americans

roger sterling vs bert cooper

socked feet vs shoes

mind you liberalism is represented by pete campbell there so...

lagoon, I beg to differ. In a spectrum from liberal to authoritarian, libertarians are the most liberal, whereas most Democrats and Republicans are combinations of liberal and authoritarian, just iwth different priorities; Republicans tending to be socially authoritarian and economically liberal and Democrats tending to be economically more authoritarian but more socially liberal.

and peggy and joan and and and

xp

Persuade a libertarian of the issue of the tragedy of the commons, even via a property rights argument, and you might achieve concessions on environmental regulation.

Persuading a faith-based Republican on anything is a bit of a fool's errand. They've spend too much of their emotional energy on self-deception.

^spent, not spend.

you kinda switched out the axes there michael, but anyway to be completely frank here calling libertarians liberal on the authoritarian scale is quite ridiculous, sure they believe v strongly in their right to not be oppressed but v much believe in their right to oppress others and of course are completely against things like civil right legislation which is purely designed to protect others from oppression

of course the libertarian/authoritarian binary is their fav frame and imho is flawed

peggy sure - catholic, leftie boyfriend, would have to put her third behind campbell and kinsey for mad men representative lib. never seen anything from joan that would rule out her being a rockefeller republican.

yup, a lot of right-libertarians believe that some forms of domination and social hierarchy are natural and good, and it is "equality", speciously defined by the left and enforced by the state, that is evil. ie if we were truly free everyone would have to be ordered and obedient to their natural betters in the private sphere or die

joan liked "the apartment"

By the way, I think using the word "liberal" in this thread isn't terribly productive. In the non-American English speaking world it means laissez faire advocates. There's a reason the American Left has preferred the term "progressive".

we've got beautiful mountains and rivers, chap

most republicans i meet are not nearly as obnoxiously "opinions 4 u" as libertarians (nor as much as most dems tbh but then again i live in l.a., repubs keep their head low for the most part.)

let us all enjoy some freesponsibility... in space!

libertarian space colony's president is apparently Dave Chappelle in a mustache

overview here

wtf Lo-Pan from Big Trouble in Little China shows up 20 mins in

showing up 20 mins in is p much james hong's whole career

also butler in chinatown, "i just do eyes!" in blade runner, dramatically revealed cybersurgeon in tank girl, maitre d when jerry/george/elaine go to the chinese restaurant, etc

they should remake the good earth with james hong as everyone

lol

James Hong is at the Wizard World comiccon going on about a half-mile from me right now. I want to go for the sole reason of getting a photo with him.

choosing b/w these two is the politics equivalent of choosing b/w drowning in a tubful of diarrhea vs. drowning in a tubful of vomit amirite?!?

waving hello

This is a great read: https://www.texasobserver.org/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-freest-little-city-in-texas/amp/

schaudenfreude

If Von Ormy is a libertarian experiment with democracy, it’s one that hasn’t turned out as expected.

I would say it turned out exactly as one would expect

I love the repetition of this phrase in the article:
“We were blessed with this unique opportunity to experiment with democracy”

Sounds great on paper, but it just doesn't work in reality.

this is a good thread/era of ilx politics threads imo

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/08/date-nate-wont

You have to visit the site in the post. You HAVE to.

Looks like he took down the original site and put up something to try to capitalize on the new traffic he was getting.

I feel like these libertarian guys are somewhat quieter than they were. Rebranding as 'classical liberals', or sucked up by the alt-right and jumped on the conservative identity politics train where all the action is?

reason magazine still exists

I saw the thread title and hoped it was proposing a caged death match.

caged death matches are a very libertarian type of entertainment

All the Ron Paul libertarians are Republicans again

yeah that sounds right. trump kind of gave em enough to jump on--gestures toward "isolationism," the "deconstruction of the administrative state" via vast incompetence, etc

Changing my vote