Also, there seems to be a trend toward deleting the "the" before "Earth," as I have just done, since it's just one planet among eight, but no one seems to be suggesting that the same be done for "Moon."
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually, I have seen "the" dropped from Moon quite a bit.
― Surfjan Stevens (libcrypt), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
it's "the moon" for the same reason it's "my mom" vs "Mom" or "the sun" vs "Sol" etc
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link
I like the sound of Man on Moon. But that is not a good guide for usage.
― Alba, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:32 (fifteen years ago) link
merriam-webster says both "often capitalized" and "usually used with 'the,'" which i dont really agree w/
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link
of course, saying "often" is essentially read as "ask someone else"
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link
"Internet" vs. "internet" also y'alls.
― Surfjan Stevens (libcrypt), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Maybe "the" should be dropped from "the Internet".
I will look for this tasty recipe on Internet.
iirc AP says "Internet" and "E-mail" which i think is ridiculous
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link
That's, "the E-mail".
― Surfjan Stevens (libcrypt), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Anyways it's all just "mail" now thanks to the wondrous technology of backronyms and "snail" or "postal" mail.
― Surfjan Stevens (libcrypt), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link
pleas no hyphen in email
― Safe Boating is No Accident (G00blar), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:46 (fifteen years ago) link
and no e in please doh
plas
― 7Crutis (libcrypt), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:46 (fifteen years ago) link
oh, AP also says "Web site"
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:47 (fifteen years ago) link
my bad, AP doesn't capitalize email, but it does add the dash
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I get into this conversation fairly often, but "Internet" and "e-mail" are so standardized to me that it's impossible for me to imagine them any other way. On the other hand, "Web site" has always looked silly.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link
We go with the Internet, but email and website.
But anyway, we have started extracting stuff from the reports we doand putting them into PowerPoint, which we then have to sub (a bit).
But it drives me mad!
For example, how can I do a non-breaking hyphen, an optional hyphen, a non-breaking space? Help!
― Jamie T Smith, Thursday, 29 January 2009 11:55 (fifteen years ago) link
In PowerPoint? I don't imagine you can, to be brutally frank.
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 29 January 2009 11:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Has no-one ever wanted to do a line break in a presentation? Or not split Mr and Smith?
Gah!
"business-friendly formats"
― Jamie T Smith, Thursday, 29 January 2009 12:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Non-breaking space: don't have PPt here, but try alt+0160 (on numpad).
Non-breaking space: similarly, try alt+0173.
Optional hyphen: I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't possible, that sounds like word-processing type funcionality.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 29 January 2009 12:55 (fifteen years ago) link
I was riding the train to work, and across the aisle, I saw a woman with a cardboard box perched on top of her backpack. The boxstarted to slide off, but she hesitated before catching it -- so I must've saw it fall before she did. Or must I have seen it fall before she did?
― Leee, Saturday, 31 January 2009 04:56 (fifteen years ago) link
seen
― k3vin k., Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:07 (fifteen years ago) link
wait what
"I must have seen it"
Seen would imply past imperfect though, and this was a one time thing?
― Leee, Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:09 (fifteen years ago) link
NEVER use "have saw"
― Joe Bob 1 Tooth (Hurting 2), Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:13 (fifteen years ago) link
seen is past participle
― k3vin k., Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Have saw will travel. I don't know what's wrong with my grammar nowadays. ;-:
― Leee, Saturday, 31 January 2009 05:40 (fifteen years ago) link
'...must have saw it...' is always wrong. If the thing troubling you is that the box didn't actually fall all the way to the ground before the woman caught it, then you could change it to "I must have seen (or noticed) it falling (or start to fall) before she did"
― Teh Movable Object (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 31 January 2009 07:17 (fifteen years ago) link
'have saw' seems to be exclusively an American colloquialism. It is very very very very very very very very wrong, whether American or otherwise.
― Donate your display name to Gaza (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 31 January 2009 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Have saw. Will travel.
― muomus (libcrypt), Saturday, 31 January 2009 23:06 (fifteen years ago) link
oh d'oh
'have saw' seems to be exclusively an American colloquialism.
No, I think Leeee was just overthinking this. I've never heard anyone say it.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Saturday, 31 January 2009 23:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Ok... one I was picked up on by a fellow grammar fiend (Grammar Fiend?) a few years ago. And was ashamed never to have thought about.
"I am ..." (doing something etc.)
Does the opposite construction exist?"I amn't..."
If so, why do we say "I aren't...", when we wouldn't say "I are...".If this is subjunctive skullduggery, please use words of one syllable.
― AndyTheScot, Monday, 2 February 2009 00:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Do people say "I aren't..." though? I don't think I do. You would say "I'm not", rather than "I amn't" though, surely.
― ailsa, Monday, 2 February 2009 00:33 (fifteen years ago) link
no one in the history of the world has ever said "i aren't"
― k3vin k., Monday, 2 February 2009 00:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Only pirates say "I aren't."
― Leee, Monday, 2 February 2009 03:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Does the opposite construction exist?
Yes. "I'm not."
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Monday, 2 February 2009 08:11 (fifteen years ago) link
In fairness, though: turn the construction round and we do accept the grammatical anomaly, viz:
"It's snowing today so we're going to build a snowman, aren't we?" (fine)
"It's snowing today so I'm going to build a snowman, aren't I?" (certain dialects would say "amn't I" -- I had a girlfriend from the north-east of Scotland who did this -- but who would say "am I not", and who would bother to correct "aren't I"?)
― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Monday, 2 February 2009 08:17 (fifteen years ago) link
"'have saw' seems to be exclusively an American colloquialism.""No, I think Leeee was just overthinking this. I've never heard anyone say it."
I've heard "have drank" a lot, possibly more from Americans but also over here, so would not be surprised if other verbs with different simple past tense and past participle were also losing one or the other. Will it always be the participle?
Then again that is probably one of those things that people have been saying for centuries, and I suspect I wouldn't have to look too hard through the working classes of Victorian novels to find some examples there too.
(Apologies to true grammar fiends if I have the wrong terms in this post)
― a passing spacecadet, Monday, 2 February 2009 09:16 (fifteen years ago) link
My powerpoint query:
For some reason this didn't work using alt, but if you go to insert>symbol and put them in the box and select ASCII (decimal) it works fine.
Thanks
― Jamie T Smith, Monday, 2 February 2009 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Today's Times Online - God alone knows whether it was in the paper proper -
Victim waves anonymity after rape at hands of racehorse owner
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5677546.ece
holy moley.
― Abbe Black Tentacle (GamalielRatsey), Friday, 6 February 2009 19:43 (fifteen years ago) link
victim waves goodbye to anonymity
― Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 6 February 2009 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link
throw anonymity in the airand wave it like you you just don't care
― nosotros niggamos (HI DERE), Friday, 6 February 2009 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link
omg the picture of the week: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00482/POTW_06_02_09_05_482219d.jpg
― nosotros niggamos (HI DERE), Friday, 6 February 2009 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link
lol trying to think of a humorous circumstance under which that sentence would make sense but no, it's just rong
― jammed hymen (k3vin k.), Friday, 6 February 2009 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link
The first delivery on board a new generation Q-Flex tanker, with a capacity of 211,885 cu metres of LNG, is currently on route to the South Hook terminal in Wales.
So, initially I was just going to change it to en route, but can you actually use that expression like that? ie prepositionally? Dictionary just lists it as an adverb.
Easy to change the sentence to "on the way", but out of interest ...
― Jamie T Smith, Thursday, 12 February 2009 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
"I admired the mountain, from which five corries have been ripped out of its east-facing slopes."
This construction seems wrong to me. The "its" is where it jars. I've come across this problem before, but am not very articulate when it comes to syntax. Am I right to think there's something wrong?
― Alba, Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link
It's also that you've got "from which" but then "ripped out" - first you're careful to put the preposition up front, then not.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:02 (fifteen years ago) link
"I admired the mountain, from whose east-facing slopes five corries had been ripped"?
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 February 2009 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link