MIKE TROUT Month AL WAR RankMay 1June 1July 1August 1September 2
― Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
he's really fallen off
― la goonies (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
The Los Angeles Angels renewed the contract of AL Rookie of the Year Mike Trout for $510,000. The salary is $20,000 above the major league minimum.
seems a bit like leaving a $1 tip on a $100 check. there must be ways of saving money that don't involve insulting your best player
― mookieproof, Saturday, 2 March 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
every player goes through this and they already gave him 1+ mil just to sign. he'll buy a few yachts once he hits arb.
― This is called money bags. (zachlyon), Saturday, 2 March 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
but don't mind me i have trouble treating baseball contracts with the appropriate relativity
― This is called money bags. (zachlyon), Saturday, 2 March 2013 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
If B-R numbers are right, it doesn't look like recent Rookies of the Year have gotten massive bumps in their next season.
I don't know that throwing him an extra $500k this season buys any more loyalty when the time comes for his $200mn contract in a few seasons.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 4 March 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
scratch that - http://mlb.sbnation.com/2013/3/4/4062060/mike-trout-salary-los-angeles-angels
increases were quite a bit larger, just not in raw $$$
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 4 March 2013 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sure he'll do v. well in arbitration and that he'll go wherever the money is when he's a free agent. if the angels had a policy of paying ppl the absolute minimum they had to, then fine. the extra $20k is weird tho.
it's obviously in trout's best interests to play hard and everything. it just seems like a bit more might be warranted in an effort to keep your best player happy and feeling valued.
― mookieproof, Monday, 4 March 2013 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.billjamesonline.com/mike_trout_runs__games/
The record that Mike Trout could threaten is the post-WWII tally for runs scored: 152, collected by Jeff Bagwell in 2000. And Trout could be the first player to score more runs than games played since Rickey Henderson accomplished the feat in 1985. My first bold prediction for 2013? That he does one or the other. Mike Trout with either score 152+ runs in 2013, or he’ll score more runs than games played.
― clemenza, Sunday, 17 March 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=20105
― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 April 2013 12:59 (ten years ago) link
jeez, look at the way he rounds first in that second clip. amazing.
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 5 April 2013 13:29 (ten years ago) link
Bonifacio gif linked in the comments is actually an even crazier looking play.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 5 April 2013 14:37 (ten years ago) link
will return to LF when Bourjos is activated
http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/5/31/4383614/mike-trout-center-field-left-field-mike-scioscia
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 June 2013 14:39 (ten years ago) link
i posted that in the angels thread the other day :(
it is strange how the advanced metrics have him as a minus fielder so far this year after being a stellar LF last year
― k3vin k., Sunday, 2 June 2013 15:11 (ten years ago) link
B-R has him -9 runs in the field so far!
― k3vin k., Sunday, 2 June 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link
i meant to say OF in the previous post btw, he played left and center iirc
― k3vin k., Sunday, 2 June 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link
― k3vin k., Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:11 AM (6 days ago)
An attempt to break this down:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/36800/why-are-trouts-defensive-numbers-so-bad
Conclusion: don't expect it to last.
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 June 2013 10:53 (ten years ago) link
thanks, i was just about to ask if anything's been written about that!
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 12 June 2013 12:28 (ten years ago) link
75mph changeup = line-drive HR to left
― playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link
four hits today
― mookieproof, Thursday, 27 June 2013 20:14 (ten years ago) link
Noticed that he's almost exactly where he was last year in terms of basic slash stats:
2012 -- .326/.399/.5642013 -- .320/.399/.560
His HR and SB are down a little, 2B and 3B way up.
― clemenza, Friday, 12 July 2013 13:23 (ten years ago) link
why is there no youtube compilation of mike trout triples?
― k3vin k., Sunday, 28 July 2013 11:28 (ten years ago) link
4-4 with 2 walks last night, up to .331/.412/.568 and leads fWAR by 0.4 wins
― k3vin k., Thursday, 1 August 2013 10:44 (ten years ago) link
18 walks in his last 10 games
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 August 2013 07:39 (ten years ago) link
David Cameron @DCameronFGThrough age-21 season, by wRC+, Mike Trout is the best hitter of all time, edging out Foxx and Williams.
David Cameron @DCameronFGThat's just hitting. No baserunning, no fielding, just hitting. Trout has been better than Ted Williams at hitting.
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
seeing him play next week
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 00:59 (ten years ago) link
I saw him before his rookie year! Batting ninth!
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ANA/ANA201107090.shtml
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 August 2013 01:45 (ten years ago) link
...
― mookieproof, Thursday, 8 August 2013 02:30 (ten years ago) link
Two-run homer first time up tonight. If it weren't for that (still weird) -1.4 defensive number, he'd probably be on his way to about a 12.0 WAR for the year.
― clemenza, Thursday, 8 August 2013 02:35 (ten years ago) link
Angels have to be trying to lock him up for like decade.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 August 2013 02:55 (ten years ago) link
― clemenza, Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fangraphs is much kinder, but even they have him as a neutral defender rather than a huge minus.
anyway OPS above 1.000 now - .333/.424/.580
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 08:25 (ten years ago) link
just turned 22 yesterday btw
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 08:34 (ten years ago) link
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/happy-22nd-birthday-mike-trout-2/
re: mookie's post. look at that list. nothing but inner-circle guys
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 08:40 (ten years ago) link
I wonder if the guy mistakenly left A-Rod off the list. Baseball Reference has him at 14.3 through age 21, which would safely put him on there. Is there that much difference between the two methods?
Just to be annoyingly nitpicky, I'm not sure I'd call Arky Vaughan inner-circle. On the merits, maybe, although his numbers were mostly compiled in the '30s. In the popular imagination, no. He's just not that famous.
― clemenza, Thursday, 8 August 2013 12:43 (ten years ago) link
he was one of Nixon's all-time shortstops!
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 August 2013 12:47 (ten years ago) link
"Goddamit, Bob, I don't care about the Negro in Chicago or those two guys from Jew York City--give me Arky Vaughan."
― clemenza, Thursday, 8 August 2013 13:01 (ten years ago) link
the list is sorted by wRC+ - i'm not sure how to calculate that but a-rod's might not have been above vaughn's 131 if you count his first two full seasons plus his assorted call-ups prior to that
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 August 2013 13:02 (ten years ago) link
this was a really great read:http://thelinedrive.com/2012/09/19/the-day-i-pegged-mike-trout/
― frogbs, Thursday, 8 August 2013 13:18 (ten years ago) link
Not the best time for A-Rod testimonials, but when I was checking his numbers, I'd forgotten he only played 146 games in his sort-of-rookie season. Not nearly as abbreviated as Trout's 2012, but if you give back even 10 of those 16 missing games, he almost surely would have had 400 total bases (379 for the year).
― clemenza, Thursday, 8 August 2013 13:27 (ten years ago) link
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/70717/mike-trouts-ridiculous-encore-performance
― k3vin k., Friday, 9 August 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
Similar to the Fangraphs piece above, but ranked by WAR, so A-Rod's high. The inner-circleness holds until #12, where Vada Pinson shows up. (Pinson's prolonged drift into retirement at age 36 has always fascinated me.)
http://mlb.si.com/2013/08/08/mike-trout-birthday-angels/
― clemenza, Friday, 9 August 2013 22:16 (ten years ago) link
trout somehow just leapfrogged everyone else and now leads the league in bWAR?
― k3vin k., Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:16 (ten years ago) link
hm, looks like he's gone from -1.5 dWAR to -1.1 over the past week. robbing that home run a couple nights ago probably helped
― k3vin k., Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:17 (ten years ago) link
Is there a good explanation for the over 3 dWAR swing between last year and this year? Is Trout really not making that many plays this year that your replacement level player would (and that he did last year)?
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:35 (ten years ago) link
I think the 2.1 dWAR from last year is actually wackier than the minus 1.1 from this year.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:38 (ten years ago) link
there have been a few articles about it - it basically boils down to the fact that he had like 4 incredible home run robs in like 5 months last year and, until yesterday, had none so far this year. it is pretty suspect that his dWAR numbers are so bad (at least on b-r) given his speed. fangraphs had him as a neutral defender up until a couple days ago
― k3vin k., Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:51 (ten years ago) link
So robbing a home run = a 1/4 of a win? That seems more suspect to me than his dWAR #s this year since I thought one win basically boiled down to 10 runs above replacement.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 August 2013 13:59 (ten years ago) link
Actually even more than a 1/4 since that was an explanation for a nearly 4 dWAR swing.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:03 (ten years ago) link
I love the idea of defensive metrics like WAR but swings like this are a lot harder to understand than their offensive counterparts.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:05 (ten years ago) link
I've been following Trout and Cabrera on Baseball Reference, and here's something I don't quite understand. I knew, once Trout got hot (and especially with Cabrera missing games), it was only a matter of time before Trout moved to the top of the list. Today seems like an odd day for it to happen, though Yesterday, Cabrera was up 6.2 to 6.1; this morning, it's Trout 6.4, Cabrera 6.2.
Trout had an okay game yesterday: 0-2, but he drew two walks and stole two bases. Cabrera was 2-5 with (as you may have read) a home run--no extra credit for the who and when of the latter, but still. Neither guy made an error. Putouts, assists, or great plays, I don't know.
I know it's all context-driven, but based on that, how did Trout move up three-tenths of a game, and Cabrera only one-tenth? Maybe Baseball Reference is a day behind on their WAR calculations, but I don't think so.
― clemenza, Saturday, 10 August 2013 14:48 (ten years ago) link
Homered in his sixth straight game tonight; record is still eight (Griffey, Mattingly, and the ever-mysterious Dale Long).
― clemenza, Sunday, 11 September 2022 01:18 (one year ago) link
still the best player in the league
― k3vin k., Sunday, 11 September 2022 05:27 (one year ago) link
Even with all the games he missed he's still having an awesome season. I was surprised to see that after yesterday's game, he's somehow up to 33 HR (in less than 100 GP).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 11 September 2022 07:11 (one year ago) link
Seven straight
― frogbs, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 00:59 (one year ago) link
Beat me to it...As great as Bichette has been, he just won player of the week and I'm not sure he should have; I'd have to compare them.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 01:01 (one year ago) link
And then, after almost getting his skull crushed in the 6th, Bichette wins it with a 2-run homer in the 8th.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 01:51 (one year ago) link
In case you were wondering (like they--whoever they is--spend more than seven seconds determining Player of the Week):
Bichette: .500/.529/1.156, 5 HR, 13 RBITrout: .450/.500/1.300, 5 HR, 8 RBI
Bichette had many more PA, 34 to 22.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 02:10 (one year ago) link
taking a look at his fangraphs page today...some pretty concerning things here
his walk rate has plummeted to about 10.5% over his last 700 PAs, after having hovered around 18% from 2016 through 2021. his swing rate is at an all-time high (44%), and actually has a below-career average O-swing% and his career highest Z-swing% by a lot (72%)...but he just can't hit the ball like he used to. his O-contact% has been steady at about 60% over the last 3 seasons, after having been about 70% every other year. and his Z-contact% has been about 80% over the last 3 seasons after being about 90% before that
also about an average baserunner over the past 4 seasons after being one of the 5 or so best before that
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 May 2023 16:23 (ten months ago) link
sort of surprised there's not more talk about this
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 May 2023 16:25 (ten months ago) link
I hope he's able to adjust, he's not having a bad season or anything but obviously it's not up to his usual standards. I really hope he doesn't fall off a cliff like pujols.
― omar little, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 16:42 (ten months ago) link
Possible that he aggravated his back condition in the outfield & is playing through pain? Though haven’t watched the Angels enough to see how he’s been going out there. I guess on any other team they might think about having him DH if it was a serious concern besides the obvious issue with this team.
― TY FRANCE HATES TEXAS CONFIRMED (gyac), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 16:56 (ten months ago) link
On July 12, 2022 he had a T5 costovertebral dysfunction (dislocated a rib?). Was kinda brushed off by Angels docs but seems significant... eg, rotational trunk torque. Seems like he's still Mike Trout just at 85-90% of peak.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 16:59 (ten months ago) link
(xpost) I don't expect him to fall off a cliff; I would guess his aging pattern might be more like maybe Aaron's, where he becomes more of a HR hitter and less of that across-the-board greatest-ever guy. I could see him having more seasons like Aaron's '72-74 (40 HR in 392 AB in '73).
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 17:03 (ten months ago) link
xp yeah think it’s otm, even a small decline in his abilities & age/mileage etc might show up more given conjunction of those two things
― TY FRANCE HATES TEXAS CONFIRMED (gyac), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 17:07 (ten months ago) link
I see he just tied DiMaggio on the career HR list at 361. 600 would seem to be a very good bet if healthy...if.
https://www.tsn.ca/mlb/mike-trout-ties-dimaggio-with-361st-career-hr-it-means-a-lot-1.1964348
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 17:09 (ten months ago) link
he’s going to be an above average player for a while still, but it’s not looking like he’s going to maintain that mays trajectory. which of course was a tough standard to begin with
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 May 2023 17:45 (ten months ago) link
if he merely ends up next to mantle, rodriguez, and henderson on the leaderboards, that’s not too bad
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 May 2023 17:47 (ten months ago) link
Yeah. Amazingly enough (amaysingly...rimshot), Mays peaked between 31 and 35: bWARS of 10.5, 10.6, 11.0, 11.2, and 9.0. Very atypical; Trout's curve would seem to be more normal--like Mantle's, who slows down around 31.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 18:31 (ten months ago) link
DiMaggio now in the rear-view mirror.
― clemenza, Thursday, 25 May 2023 04:09 (ten months ago) link
Genuinely a great guy.
Trout said players deal with mental issues more than people realize, but now some players have become more comfortable talking about it. That includes A’s reliever Trevor May, who was placed on the injured list with anxiety earlier this season and candidly spoke about his struggles with mental health. Trout’s former teammates Andrelton Simmons and Andrew Heaney have also opened up about mental health struggles in the past.“You really don't see it when the guys are out there just playing, especially on a baseball field playing the game we love,” Trout said. “You don't know what's happening at home. You don't know what other guys are going through. It’s just about being able to just reach out and talk to people. I think it makes you feel comfortable. And to be able to get help is a big thing.”
― TY FRANCE HATES TEXAS CONFIRMED (gyac), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 20:05 (nine months ago) link
https://theathletic.com/4592076/2023/06/08/angels-mike-trout-streaky/?source=user_shared_article
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/pondering-mike-trouts-sluggish-start/
jaffe looks at a lot of the same stuff I mentioned
― k3vin k., Sunday, 11 June 2023 01:45 (nine months ago) link
Angels announce that Mike Trout is going on the IL with a left hamate fracture.That’s a massive blow for the Angels, who are already dealing with many injuries.Jo Adell has been called up.— Sam Blum (@SamBlum3) July 4, 2023
:(
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 4 July 2023 19:09 (eight months ago) link
Not much of a bright spot, but that would at least explain the year he's having (as opposed to the start of a sharp decline).
If you type too fast and Google "make trout," here's what you get:
https://www.google.com/search?q=make+trout&rlz=1C1SQJL_enCA905CA905&oq=make+trout&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512l5j46i340i512l2j46i512j0i512.1599j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
― clemenza, Tuesday, 4 July 2023 19:15 (eight months ago) link
happy 32nd
― mookieproof, Monday, 7 August 2023 20:53 (seven months ago) link
here we go
Report: Angels open to trading Mike Trout if he wants out
― mookieproof, Sunday, 10 September 2023 20:04 (six months ago) link
Like a guy who's wrongly convicted and gets released on DNA evidence 30 years later. (Absurd hyperbole, obviously--he's been well compensated.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 September 2023 20:10 (six months ago) link
I mean, I don’t know if I’d want to trade for his contract at this point
― k3vin k., Sunday, 10 September 2023 23:10 (six months ago) link
I’d take him
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 11 September 2023 03:40 (six months ago) link
Steve Cohen has entered the chat
― buzza, Monday, 11 September 2023 04:51 (six months ago) link
The Angels' incompetence is truly breathtaking.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 11 September 2023 09:11 (six months ago) link
this is great
Over several years I spent ~40 hours at Angels games watching Mike Trout and nothing else. Here's what I learned: https://t.co/Rx2hwsBnbE— Sam Miller (@SamMillerBB) January 31, 2024
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 17:13 (one month ago) link
thx for that
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 20:59 (one month ago) link