Mike Trout needs his own thread

or rogers smallmouth-bass

30th dinger

first 30/30 rookie

Top of the 6th, he's 4-4 with a double, triple, and 3 RBI--off Felix. Unbelievable.

MIKE TROUT	

Month	      AL WAR Rank
May	      1
June	      1
July	      1
August	      1
September     2

he's really fallen off

The Los Angeles Angels renewed the contract of AL Rookie of the Year Mike Trout for $510,000. The salary is $20,000 above the major league minimum.

seems a bit like leaving a $1 tip on a $100 check. there must be ways of saving money that don't involve insulting your best player

every player goes through this and they already gave him 1+ mil just to sign. he'll buy a few yachts once he hits arb.

but don't mind me i have trouble treating baseball contracts with the appropriate relativity

If B-R numbers are right, it doesn't look like recent Rookies of the Year have gotten massive bumps in their next season.

I don't know that throwing him an extra $500k this season buys any more loyalty when the time comes for his $200mn contract in a few seasons.

scratch that - http://mlb.sbnation.com/2013/3/4/4062060/mike-trout-salary-los-angeles-angels

increases were quite a bit larger, just not in raw $$$

i'm sure he'll do v. well in arbitration and that he'll go wherever the money is when he's a free agent. if the angels had a policy of paying ppl the absolute minimum they had to, then fine. the extra $20k is weird tho.

it's obviously in trout's best interests to play hard and everything. it just seems like a bit more might be warranted in an effort to keep your best player happy and feeling valued.

http://www.billjamesonline.com/mike_trout_runs__games/

The record that Mike Trout could threaten is the post-WWII tally for runs scored: 152, collected by Jeff Bagwell in 2000. And Trout could be the first player to score more runs than games played since Rickey Henderson accomplished the feat in 1985.

My first bold prediction for 2013? That he does one or the other. Mike Trout with either score 152+ runs in 2013, or he’ll score more runs than games played.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=20105

jeez, look at the way he rounds first in that second clip. amazing.

Bonifacio gif linked in the comments is actually an even crazier looking play.

will return to LF when Bourjos is activated

http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/5/31/4383614/mike-trout-center-field-left-field-mike-scioscia

i posted that in the angels thread the other day :(

it is strange how the advanced metrics have him as a minus fielder so far this year after being a stellar LF last year

B-R has him -9 runs in the field so far!

i meant to say OF in the previous post btw, he played left and center iirc

it is strange how the advanced metrics have him as a minus fielder so far this year after being a stellar LF last year

― k3vin k., Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:11 AM (6 days ago)

An attempt to break this down:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/36800/why-are-trouts-defensive-numbers-so-bad

Conclusion: don't expect it to last.

thanks, i was just about to ask if anything's been written about that!

75mph changeup = line-drive HR to left

four hits today

Noticed that he's almost exactly where he was last year in terms of basic slash stats:

2012 -- .326/.399/.564
2013 -- .320/.399/.560

His HR and SB are down a little, 2B and 3B way up.

why is there no youtube compilation of mike trout triples?

4-4 with 2 walks last night, up to .331/.412/.568 and leads fWAR by 0.4 wins

18 walks in his last 10 games

David Cameron @DCameronFG
Through age-21 season, by wRC+, Mike Trout is the best hitter of all time, edging out Foxx and Williams.

David Cameron @DCameronFG
That's just hitting. No baserunning, no fielding, just hitting. Trout has been better than Ted Williams at hitting.

seeing him play next week

I saw him before his rookie year! Batting ninth!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ANA/ANA201107090.shtml

...

Two-run homer first time up tonight. If it weren't for that (still weird) -1.4 defensive number, he'd probably be on his way to about a 12.0 WAR for the year.

Angels have to be trying to lock him up for like decade.

Two-run homer first time up tonight. If it weren't for that (still weird) -1.4 defensive number, he'd probably be on his way to about a 12.0 WAR for the year.

― clemenza, Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fangraphs is much kinder, but even they have him as a neutral defender rather than a huge minus.

anyway OPS above 1.000 now - .333/.424/.580

just turned 22 yesterday btw

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/happy-22nd-birthday-mike-trout-2/

re: mookie's post. look at that list. nothing but inner-circle guys

I wonder if the guy mistakenly left A-Rod off the list. Baseball Reference has him at 14.3 through age 21, which would safely put him on there. Is there that much difference between the two methods?

Just to be annoyingly nitpicky, I'm not sure I'd call Arky Vaughan inner-circle. On the merits, maybe, although his numbers were mostly compiled in the '30s. In the popular imagination, no. He's just not that famous.

he was one of Nixon's all-time shortstops!

"Goddamit, Bob, I don't care about the Negro in Chicago or those two guys from Jew York City--give me Arky Vaughan."

the list is sorted by wRC+ - i'm not sure how to calculate that but a-rod's might not have been above vaughn's 131 if you count his first two full seasons plus his assorted call-ups prior to that

this was a really great read:
http://thelinedrive.com/2012/09/19/the-day-i-pegged-mike-trout/

Not the best time for A-Rod testimonials, but when I was checking his numbers, I'd forgotten he only played 146 games in his sort-of-rookie season. Not nearly as abbreviated as Trout's 2012, but if you give back even 10 of those 16 missing games, he almost surely would have had 400 total bases (379 for the year).

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/70717/mike-trouts-ridiculous-encore-performance

Similar to the Fangraphs piece above, but ranked by WAR, so A-Rod's high. The inner-circleness holds until #12, where Vada Pinson shows up. (Pinson's prolonged drift into retirement at age 36 has always fascinated me.)

http://mlb.si.com/2013/08/08/mike-trout-birthday-angels/

trout somehow just leapfrogged everyone else and now leads the league in bWAR?

hm, looks like he's gone from -1.5 dWAR to -1.1 over the past week. robbing that home run a couple nights ago probably helped

Is there a good explanation for the over 3 dWAR swing between last year and this year? Is Trout really not making that many plays this year that your replacement level player would (and that he did last year)?

I think the 2.1 dWAR from last year is actually wackier than the minus 1.1 from this year.

there have been a few articles about it - it basically boils down to the fact that he had like 4 incredible home run robs in like 5 months last year and, until yesterday, had none so far this year. it is pretty suspect that his dWAR numbers are so bad (at least on b-r) given his speed. fangraphs had him as a neutral defender up until a couple days ago

still the best player in the league

Even with all the games he missed he's still having an awesome season. I was surprised to see that after yesterday's game, he's somehow up to 33 HR (in less than 100 GP).

Seven straight

Beat me to it...As great as Bichette has been, he just won player of the week and I'm not sure he should have; I'd have to compare them.

And then, after almost getting his skull crushed in the 6th, Bichette wins it with a 2-run homer in the 8th.

In case you were wondering (like they--whoever they is--spend more than seven seconds determining Player of the Week):

Bichette: .500/.529/1.156, 5 HR, 13 RBI
Trout: .450/.500/1.300, 5 HR, 8 RBI

Bichette had many more PA, 34 to 22.

taking a look at his fangraphs page today...some pretty concerning things here

his walk rate has plummeted to about 10.5% over his last 700 PAs, after having hovered around 18% from 2016 through 2021. his swing rate is at an all-time high (44%), and actually has a below-career average O-swing% and his career highest Z-swing% by a lot (72%)...but he just can't hit the ball like he used to. his O-contact% has been steady at about 60% over the last 3 seasons, after having been about 70% every other year. and his Z-contact% has been about 80% over the last 3 seasons after being about 90% before that

also about an average baserunner over the past 4 seasons after being one of the 5 or so best before that

sort of surprised there's not more talk about this

I hope he's able to adjust, he's not having a bad season or anything but obviously it's not up to his usual standards. I really hope he doesn't fall off a cliff like pujols.

Possible that he aggravated his back condition in the outfield & is playing through pain? Though haven’t watched the Angels enough to see how he’s been going out there. I guess on any other team they might think about having him DH if it was a serious concern besides the obvious issue with this team.

On July 12, 2022 he had a T5 costovertebral dysfunction (dislocated a rib?). Was kinda brushed off by Angels docs but seems significant... eg, rotational trunk torque. Seems like he's still Mike Trout just at 85-90% of peak.

(xpost) I don't expect him to fall off a cliff; I would guess his aging pattern might be more like maybe Aaron's, where he becomes more of a HR hitter and less of that across-the-board greatest-ever guy. I could see him having more seasons like Aaron's '72-74 (40 HR in 392 AB in '73).

xp yeah think it’s otm, even a small decline in his abilities & age/mileage etc might show up more given conjunction of those two things

I see he just tied DiMaggio on the career HR list at 361. 600 would seem to be a very good bet if healthy...if.

https://www.tsn.ca/mlb/mike-trout-ties-dimaggio-with-361st-career-hr-it-means-a-lot-1.1964348

he’s going to be an above average player for a while still, but it’s not looking like he’s going to maintain that mays trajectory. which of course was a tough standard to begin with

if he merely ends up next to mantle, rodriguez, and henderson on the leaderboards, that’s not too bad

Yeah. Amazingly enough (amaysingly...rimshot), Mays peaked between 31 and 35: bWARS of 10.5, 10.6, 11.0, 11.2, and 9.0. Very atypical; Trout's curve would seem to be more normal--like Mantle's, who slows down around 31.

DiMaggio now in the rear-view mirror.

Genuinely a great guy.

Trout said players deal with mental issues more than people realize, but now some players have become more comfortable talking about it. That includes A’s reliever Trevor May, who was placed on the injured list with anxiety earlier this season and candidly spoke about his struggles with mental health. Trout’s former teammates Andrelton Simmons and Andrew Heaney have also opened up about mental health struggles in the past.

“You really don't see it when the guys are out there just playing, especially on a baseball field playing the game we love,” Trout said. “You don't know what's happening at home. You don't know what other guys are going through. It’s just about being able to just reach out and talk to people. I think it makes you feel comfortable. And to be able to get help is a big thing.”

https://theathletic.com/4592076/2023/06/08/angels-mike-trout-streaky/?source=user_shared_article

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/pondering-mike-trouts-sluggish-start/

jaffe looks at a lot of the same stuff I mentioned

Angels announce that Mike Trout is going on the IL with a left hamate fracture.

That’s a massive blow for the Angels, who are already dealing with many injuries.

Jo Adell has been called up.

— Sam Blum (@SamBlum3) July 4, 2023

:(

Not much of a bright spot, but that would at least explain the year he's having (as opposed to the start of a sharp decline).

If you type too fast and Google "make trout," here's what you get:

https://www.google.com/search?q=make+trout&rlz=1C1SQJL_enCA905CA905&oq=make+trout&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512l5j46i340i512l2j46i512j0i512.1599j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

happy 32nd

here we go

Report: Angels open to trading Mike Trout if he wants out

Like a guy who's wrongly convicted and gets released on DNA evidence 30 years later. (Absurd hyperbole, obviously--he's been well compensated.)

I mean, I don’t know if I’d want to trade for his contract at this point

I’d take him

Steve Cohen has entered the chat

The Angels' incompetence is truly breathtaking.

this is great

Over several years I spent ~40 hours at Angels games watching Mike Trout and nothing else. Here's what I learned: https://t.co/Rx2hwsBnbE

— Sam Miller (@SamMillerBB) January 31, 2024

thx for that

hit two HRs yesterday, the second of which went 473 feet

Mike Trout swiping this sweeper about an inch above the plate for a triple - unreal!

https://www.mlb.com/app/atbat/video/justin-slaten-in-play-no-out-to-mike-trout

The sweeper is not an easy one to hit
https://i.postimg.cc/vZMpMHxb/IMG-9183.jpg

currently on pace for 68 HR and 94 rbi

lmao

lfg