― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:50 (twenty years ago) link
again
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― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 8 August 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link
Also, in terms of multiculturalism, Toronto's got everyone beat. 56 different ethnic groups speaking 80 different languages--the most diverse city in the world. (I used to work for Ontario tourism)
― cybele (cybele), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:16 (twenty years ago) link
(NOTE: The preceeding might be a lie.)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:18 (twenty years ago) link
― felicity (felicity), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link
― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link
― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link
Taking Sides: West Nile v. SARS
― TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link
I reserve the right to spend a lot of time worrying about NA's friends
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:57 (twenty years ago) link
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― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:48 (twenty years ago) link
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― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:52 (twenty years ago) link
― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:52 (twenty years ago) link
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― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:53 (twenty years ago) link
BURN!!!
― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:54 (twenty years ago) link
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― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link
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― Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 8 August 2003 21:46 (twenty years ago) link
― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link
Know what blows my mind? Well, Emily and I are moving to Charlottesville, Virginia in September -- C-Ville is a small city (with a town-ish feel but lots to do) at the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains, an hour from Richmond, three hours from the beach. It's gorgeous there, lots to do, great food, fairly progressive (especially for Virginia!), etc. Now, take Nick's question about picking NYC over any other major US city, and just think of how many minor cities like C-Ville there are out there, cool towns that hardly anyone outside of the state knows about but which are a lot of fun... the mind boggles.
― Clarke B., Saturday, 9 August 2003 05:24 (twenty years ago) link
as some of you know, I moved back here for a job. in a month and a half or so, when a couple of large job-related projects are finished, I will be a much easier person to be around. but I don't *miss* NYC as intensely as I figured I would--and yet I have no doubt that I want to go back, that I WILL go back, someday, who knows when. but one of the city's chief charms is that if you've been there and you enjoy it (not everyone does, of course) you're pretty much a dual citizen of it and wherever you go afterward.
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 9 August 2003 06:03 (twenty years ago) link
I find you very interesting to take photos of, you're a good subject. The subway picture is more washed out on the scan than in the original, for some reason--I can't get the levels right at all because of the reflection of the flash off my face. What convinced me to dye my hair black, all the photos from that night are the same, I look SO white and it just contrasts badly and washes out everything. The pic came out real nice though, you and Tracer look just great in it and I remember when we took it, you said, "I think that'll be the best picture of the night" and it was but I never scanned it because it just seemed...personal? I dunno. Which made it fit here.
Just to explain beyond the obvious reasons why I'd take photos of you, ie you're my dawg.
― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 9 August 2003 06:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 9 August 2003 06:20 (twenty years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 9 August 2003 07:28 (twenty years ago) link
New York feels like a city dreamed into existence by a group of seriously coked-up people: "Right, right, there'll be a bar every three steps, and half of the people will look like models on their days off and act like drug-level flirty extroverts, and I guess we need a park so it should be just fucking huge, right, and and and. . ." I already know I don't have the energy (or the accessories) for this city, but whatever.
Other cities are great. Chicago's great, Boston's nice in its own skeezy way, I really like Atlanta now, San Francisco is the most beautiful thing ever (dreamed up by people on some combination of opium, ecstasy, and high-quality weed), and with the exception of maybe Arizona (sorry for your trials, Ally), the southwest is my favorite area of the country, and I can easily imagine myself wanting to live in Albuquerque or northern Colorado or even back in Pueblo, CO again. At some point.
But look, the NYC as "center of the arts" thing isn't just snobbery. Obviously you can make art anywhere; obviously. But the actual people and industries that transform the act of making art into a feasible industry are, for better or worse, all packed around this one city. If you want to work in trade publishing, you're moving there, period. If you want to write, you'll at least sort of benefit from getting out there and connecting yourself with other writers, editors, and agents. If you want to work in theatre, visual art, film. . . . (And you know: I'm sure it is snobbery on a lot of people's parts to point this out -- as if any artist worth anything will obviously be in NYC -- but a lot of the time it's just the realistic desire for people to slip in close to the industries they're trying to enter. You can be a great band in Indiana, but if you want to play a bunch of shows and hook up with a good-sized label, moving to Chicago isn't such a bad plan. Same goes for writers and actors and New York.)
New York is still brain-melting, though. I'm sure the coke-heads woke up the next morning and were filled with a gut-level fear of this massive chattering thing they'd created.
― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 9 August 2003 14:38 (twenty years ago) link
I really don't think so-- NY and vicinity has about 2x metro LA's population, from what I remember. Same applies to the cities themselves.
As for the Toronto booster: I think Jackson Heights alone beats your numbers for ethnic and linguistic diversity. I do really like Toronto, outside of its Protestant middle class, but alien-ness of New York is one of its most insistent and compelling features. And it applies to immigrants from inside the US: I know of subcultures of (for example) Detroiters, and there's a sizable building in Greenpoint filled with people from Memphis.
― Benjamin (benjamin), Saturday, 9 August 2003 21:28 (twenty years ago) link
To expand: more English than England
― Benjamin (benjamin), Saturday, 9 August 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link
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― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Saturday, 9 August 2003 23:50 (twenty years ago) link
Nick, obviously, NYC is not for everyone, but your remarks seem to betray a willful ignorance of the draw of the metropolis for many people. There is a definite NYC-bound pattern and history of writers (Fitzgerald, Capote, Thomas Wolfe, etc) and artists (Warhol et al) that feeds and perpetuates the mythology as the city as an escape from one's limited background.
In the above cases, NYC is provided in contrast to St. Louis, Alabama, North Carolina, Pittsburgh. The city holds a special draw for people from the South and the Midwest and is (was?) seen as a sight of licentiousness and freedom; historically it is one of the few places in America where gay men could feel comfortable.
Now, with the unearthing of subculture via TV and especially the internet, and the farming out of hip lifestyles to every corner of the US, the city is perhaps less necessary than ever for those wishing to lead an "alternative" life. Good thing, since the prices here preclude any sort of bohemian culture to greet any would-be cityspotters.
At the same time, the city itself is undergoing a suburbanization, and is awash in Starbucks etc. Sixth Avenue has become Avenue of the Stip Malls, with Bed Bath and Beyond and their like setting up camp. In addition, thanks to Giuliani and (and now Bloomberg?) civil liberties here are likely now at an all time low.
Stil, for many (and I can especially see why in the case of VA this would be the case, as it is my home town as well) the city still represents great opportunity and contrast. I came here because when I visited I really liked the energy on the street--yes, I thought it was like nowhere else in America, and I've since realized it is like no where else in the world (that I've been to).
I woundn't be too hard on your friends if they are acting smug about their planned moves--they will be struggling soon enough. It is definitely a challenge to live here.
(Disclaimer: I'm sure that many cities besides NY share characteristics with what I wrote above, but Nick asked about NYC, not anywhere else.)
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