TOMBOT and john justin should not be mods

if you're not happy with your internet experience here on ILX, there are many other options, like blogspot comments, gawker comments, slashdot and the list goes fucking on

at some point you either get on the fucking boat or you fucking get off. as I recall, nobody's ever banned you personally, and the opinions that are getting "censored" amount to "so and so's a predictable fuck!" which yeah uh I dunno pretty much every poster can say that about every other fucking poster. So I'm not sure what you think you're missing, unless you like feeling like a proxy martyr, in which case, oh, well, I can't think of anything more lame to label you with.

lol xpost to everyone but what the fuck ever
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But I think it's pretty clear that for the past year or two, your contentious role as a mod has been one of the major 'narratives' of this board that almost everyone here is aware of.

i don't think this is true. tom (and now to a lesser extent john) is just the most visible of all the mods and they get 100% of the flack directed at "mods" as a whole

-- electricsound, Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:04 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I dunno, maybe that's true. But I've been here 7 years, and I was scarcely aware of who the mods were, what they were doing and what flaps, if any, were going on as a result of their actions for most of the first 5. Maybe that says more about me than the board as a whole, though.

I've never been banned and a don't necessarily think every banned poster is the victim of some kind of travesty. But Tom keeps saying (sorry for all the made up paraphrases) "it's a small number of people protesting, and it's the same jackasses who keep getting themselves banned," so one of the reasons I tend to speak up is to contradict that.

1. "its just a tempban" is a bullshit defense for bad/drunk modding
2. tombot broadcasts a certain pleasure in banning/locking and i think ppl would prefer a "this hurts me more than it hurts you" approach
3. john justen gave me a PREEMPTIVE BAN i.e. i did nothing

what is the problem w/ an admin log again??

1. "its just a tempban" is a bullshit defense for bad/drunk modding

if it's for a good reason it doesn't need a defense

1. "its just a tempban" is a bullshit defense for bad/drunk modding

i can't bring any examples to mind, but then i have never read 77

http://www.miwd.uscourts.gov/COURTROOM%20TECH/Bell/WitnessStand2.jpg

i ask that question because i can think of more than 1 example where i was temp banned & i still have no fucking clue who did it or even nececssarily why, which seems kind of stupid, like i said something to tombot about it on a thread once because he was the guy i was having an exchange w/ before i got tempd & he was like dude ive never banned you ???

ive also tried to ilxmail john justen once & it either didnt go thru or he didnt reply

if you're not happy with your internet experience here on ILX, there are many other options, like blogspot comments, gawker comments, slashdot and the list goes fucking on

at some point you either get on the fucking boat or you fucking get off.

I don't see why this shouldn't cut both ways. If you don't like the way your judgement gets questioned here all the time, I'm sure there's an IDM or computer code or military or sci-fi message board out there that would be happy to let you moderate with impunity. Why do you speak like you've always been a moderator, always will be and it's beyond discussion, or like if you weren't, another mod behave exactly like you, otherwise there'd be chaos and panic in the streets?

i've TB'd you once deez, probably for being a dick

i just dont get what would be so hard about a concise log that says like "MOD ACTION: X BECAUSE: Y EVIDENCE: Z or something

can we ask about admin log here w/o getting threads locked?

test

-- chaki, Thursday, June 7, 2007 9:29 PM

1. "its just a tempban" is a bullshit defense for bad/drunk modding
2. tombot broadcasts a certain pleasure in banning/locking and i think ppl would prefer a "this hurts me more than it hurts you" approach
3. john justen gave me a PREEMPTIVE BAN i.e. i did nothing

-- gr8080, Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:21 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

OTM

nb I think Tombot should still be a mod (no comment on JJ)

wow jj has really come into his own as a mod recently huh a month and a half ago when i went on vacation im pretty sure no really knew abt his powerz

anyway i have a point to make: bitching abt tombot and tombot bitching is the new meta. in trying to quell the difficulty it was exacerbated. only worse. actually its been going on so long its the old new meta. not sure what the new meta is.

jeez sorry guys apparently my 2 HUEG CONTRAVERSIAL temp bans have made me quite the unpopular fellow around these parts.

wtf ever, sitewide modding is a thankless bullshit job that leads to people i used to get along with around here being fucking dicks to me, start a poll and vote me off the island already.

i don't remember this sort of reaction the half dozen times bo jackson overdrive got temp'd

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john you're the most fair and balanced mod

I like you John! I just can't really pass judgment on your modding because I don't know what you've done other than tempban gr80

yeah well fuck it its boring, id rather go back to talking shit freely and not worrying about it. i will miss changable username tho.

fair enough-

its true that you guys ANNOUNCE bans when other mods don't.

maybe a non-anonymous admin log would help this situation???????

Grady, I've written an admin log, but for the reasons we discussed ages ago, I will never never never write an admin log that shows who did the action. I don't think admin log is a good idea anyway; my opinion is that it will create more of the above nonsense rather than less; we'll see, I guess. But given that I know you're not the type that's going to cause off-board hassle for someone, even if you did know who it was, I'd like to know what value it is to you to know who it was performed the moderator action...

Worth noting that the people that are being given grief above are in favour of having admin log. It's mainly me, and to a lesser extent some others who don't want it. Also, Tom is entirely right about me being less likely to be sympathetic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ndo37LMzmU

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keith i guess i honestly give a fuck about an admin log any more

appreciate all the hard work though

keith i guess i honestly dont give a fuck about an admin log any more

still appreciate all the hard work though

what name did 'some dude' used to post as?

alex in baltimore

I know no one gives a shit about my opinion but i want to echo what grady and curtis were saying upthread, that 1 of the major grievances w/ ur modding tom is the pleasure you take in it and the need to be super hardman about it, i know thats ur ilx persona and some ppl eat it up and think its lolarious, but id be willing to swallow shit i disagreed w/ u about a lot more easily if it was done a less gleefully

I don't see why this shouldn't cut both ways. If you don't like the way your judgement gets questioned here all the time, I'm sure there's an IDM or computer code or military or sci-fi message board out there that would be happy to let you moderate with impunity. Why do you speak like you've always been a moderator, always will be and it's beyond discussion, or like if you weren't, another mod behave exactly like you, otherwise there'd be chaos and panic in the streets?

^^ this is frankly pretty fair too

these meta arguments are bullshit and a waste of time but i want to cast a vote of confidence in tom's modding. also i totally approve of him laying the smackdown on the creepier/more pathetic sections of ilx. tough luv innit, some people clearly wouldn't get the message any other way.

Everyone gotta realise that it must be hard for Tom attempting to continue as the less popular half of a once-successful double act. Anyone would turn into a vindictive drunken crybaby once in a while under those circumstances.

I don't really have a clue what's been going down here (hey Curtis can I have a 77 invite please?) but I think Tom's pretty restrained when you consider the amount of personal shit that gets thrown at him and never gets mentioned in these arguments.

(xpost - how's that for timing?)

Tom's pretty restrained when you consider the amount of personal shit that gets thrown at him

chicken/egg

In any case it should be pretty obvious that a temp ban is both a warning and a 'take some time to cool down'. It'd be awesome if we actually had a yellow card graphic to go with it.

On a personal level I've realised that getting into prolonged and aggressive arguments with posters over mod decisions is a waste of time when one calmly argued response usually does the trick, but I can't really blame other mods for flipping out occasionally given how infuriating moderating this place can be from time to time.

Matt, I've done yellow carding too, though it's not combined with a temp ban.

Can we have a feature when, instead of a ban, all the usual text on ILX is replaced with 'HEY EVERYONE I'M NOT DOING ANY WORK' in massive letters, preferably flashing in six different colours?

Accompanied with music

In any case it should be pretty obvious that a temp ban is both a warning and a 'take some time to cool down'. It'd be awesome if we actually had a yellow card graphic to go with it.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but sometimes the person getting the most heated and deserves a warning or some time to cool down is the guy banning other people. I feel like there should be a better recourse than everyone dealing with it and shrugging, "Oh well, the guy in charge is being an asshole today, and can you blame him? Being in charge is hard work." Who watches the watchmen, etc.

"Oh well, the guy in charge is being an asshole today, and can you blame him? Being in charge is hard work."

not reflected in politics threads funnily enough

there should be a better recourse than everyone dealing with it and shrugging, "Oh well, the guy in charge is being an asshole today, and can you blame him? Being in charge is hard work."

That is an excellent response! Especially if the alternative is a dozen threads of bullshit meta whining.

Or you know, shrugging and just getting on with whatever tedious work task you're actually being paid for.

people being all precious about this remind me of me when i complained about noise board modding setting dangerous precedent.

i agree, this is all your fault

excellent

Don't get me wrong, I shrugged it off the first 50 times that I read a thread and thought "Hmmm, 2 guys were being dicks here, but only one of them seems to be getting banned and having their posts deleted and the other one is free to stir shit on other threads, I wonder why that is." It just gets a little old, watching this one-sided dance over and over, and get worse over time now. And again, I don't generally take a lot of interest in board drama, but if the excuse continually being made is "Not many people care about this," then I'm going to have cankles and gr8080's and whoever else's backs when they speak up about it, preciousness be damned.

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The First Amendment is actually not that complicated. It can be read from start to finish in about 10 seconds. It bars the Government from abridging free speech rights. It doesn't have anything to do with whether you're free to say things without being criticized, or whether you can comment on blogs without being edited, or whether people can bar you from their private planes because they don't like what you've said.

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do you really think me and/or john justen not being mods is going to save you from being kicked off the boards if you keep up your son of chaki freakshow

Seriously, you delete any post by anyone complaining about your actions and you permanbanned me because i had the AUDACITY to point out (ie not abuse) that the famous "improved security" of ilx2 is a fucking joke.

Of course, most people don't even know that I was banned because you're such a fucking fascist you hide the evidence that it even happened …

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Am I supposed to be impressed by your graceful restraint in not t0t411y pWnz0r1n9 the boradz?
I work with people every week who break software with much scarier implications and they somehow manage to not be arrogant pricks about notification and resolution. In fact I can think of the biggest assholes I've ever dealt with in 8 years of this business and none of them act the special way you do. Enjoy your awesome framework and try not to hit any more fatties on your bike. Peace.

The prick is you, old man

banned again

Just so you know, it's not just Tom.