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This thread made no sense to me until I realized I was thinking of Phillip Bailey.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 August 2002 13:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark I've emailed you, but I will be there tomorrow at about 7:30 (I can come earlier if anyone fancies a drink beforehand).

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 19 August 2002 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

''this is improv foax, the empty seats are part of the pleasure ("it's all abt the music maaaan" = improvism)''

yeah...it won't be a sell out unless there's enough space for only 15 ppl.

''perhaps they will say "allo julio"''

bad mark...so you haven't phoned ep to 'cinfirm' seat availability.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 19 August 2002 14:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

I will prob be there early (i'll confirm this tomorrow afternoon). so a drink might be good idea.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 19 August 2002 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

This thread made no sense to me until I realized I was thinking of Phillip Bailey.

The idea of Derek Bailey sharing vocals with Phil Collins on "Easy Lover" -- and especially appearing in the video -- disturbs my tender soul.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 August 2002 15:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Marcello, it wld be gd to have a drink beforehand, depending on travel etc.

Actually, wld someone be so gd as to post full address etc. (I didn't buy the Wire this month... I know I'll be drummed out of the B. Coley School for ageing improv lovers for admitting that, but hey ho)

Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 19 August 2002 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

291 gallery, London, 07905 532985 is all it has in the wire andrew

mark s (mark s), Monday, 19 August 2002 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

there is a website for the gallery so google it and you shall find.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 07:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks!

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 09:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never worked out what the fuss about Baily was, am I missing something?

http://www.ukgameshows.com/atoz/programmes/m/mr_and_mrs/batey_assistant.jpg

sandy blair, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 10:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I should be there at about 7- 7:30pm. post abck here if you want to go for a quick drink.

I'll be waiting outside the gallery. I'll have an orange t-shirt, black trousers and a black puma bag.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

if it's the place i think it is, it has a bar/cafe which will be open prior to the show (but i was last there more than two years ago, so best check)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Will definitely be there between 7-7:30. I'm sure Mark will point me out as necessary :-)

It's in Yorkton Road, E2. Not near a tube unfortunately (Cambridge Heath BR is a bit of a walk) but quite near Homerton Hospital and bang next to Haggerston City Farm. Most Hackney-bound buses stop there.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yorkton STREET, I beg your pardon.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah i'll be there about then also: hackney is thin on tubestations i'm afraid, closest wd be bethnal green, but that's a good 20 mins walk i shd think (then old street, 25 mins, then liverpool street, 30!!)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll go to bethnal green and walk. hopefully i won't get lost heh.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's easy: just walk up to hackney road then along it until there's a big green space

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah thanks see you there.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm running v. late on a deadline plus I have a megafuck headache so don't think I'm going to this after all - but I look forward to yr gig reports...

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sandy - that's Derek (Be nice to each other)BATEY!!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

it is the night after so I must report. I went but i didn't see him because there were TWO support acts (whereas i had thought there would be one instead) and I had to go as I didn't want to miss the last train to charing X since I had come from the other side of town (though I did spend a few hours at college doing work so it was only a 10 minute tube ride with a 15 min walk).

also the organisers started it at 8:40pm not at 8pm which I really ddin't like.

Marcello: where were you?

But i met mark s. The first ILM-er from London I've emt and it was very good indeed.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 07:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

as for the two support acts. the second trio (guitar, bass, sax) was much better than the first (loads of bits and pieces, a lot of mucking around which always went somewhere and then stopped, though I thought the guy that made 'nature' type sounds was er, 'amusing').

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry Julio, I hung around outside for about 45 minutes until 7:30 but no one else turned up. It was steadily drizzling and at the bottom of Hackney Road an Eminem lookalike was loudly beating up his kid, so I'm afraid I went home. Might see you at the Red Rose Club for the next London Improvisers' Orchestra bash.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

marcello: i came in at 6:45. Bought my ticket and sat at the bar for a while. then I went outiside and within five mins mark s walked towards me. you should have gone in the bar. I was looking out (in the hope you or mark would see the orange t-shirt i was wearing) but I didn't know what you looked like.

well never mind...hopefully we can meet soon.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Were beards stroked? Did heads nod? (Affectionate joshing of jazzers you understand)

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

marcello i think you must have been outside the wrong church? it was 7.20-ish when i turned up and i chatted to eddie p outside by his car for a coupla minutes then went inside w. julio => the door to inside and the bar and stuff is very evident, and you could lights on from outside, and people were still arriving and coming in for another hour, and i went outside twice to look for you

hmm i just noticed you mentioned yorkton road upthread => the entrance we were gathered at is off the carpark which you enter straight off hackney road itself

oh bah, how miserable for you

of course i really enjoyed it but i feel bad about that now as andrew AND marcello AND julio all missed it!!

dr c there were more beards than you could throw a stick at, but *also* more girls than i would have predicted, and a table of middle-aged laydeeZoRs behind me who said aloud that the tri before E/D was "mesmerising" so :P

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Seems like the most *difficult* thing about improv is finding it in the first place! That's quite punXOR though, so I approve (whilst feeling sorry for Marcello's plight).

Middle-aged laydeeZoRs!! I imagine a table of chain smoking Diana Rigg-alikes. k-HornXOR!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why are the last few posts dated 20th? It's the 21st today!!

Graham - gremlins alert!!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 09:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I must have been at the wrong church, or at least the wrong entrance. I actually was in Yorkton Street itself, outside St Augustine's Church with a very evident gallery inside but no discernible activity GRRR!

The geography of East London never fails to bamboozle me. Once past the Old Street roundabout I am a truly lost soul.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 09:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dr C, you need to tweak your settings so the time is set to BST

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 09:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh no! I saw the yorkton street thingy on the thread above and I didn't know what you guys were talking about. the gallery is at 291 hackney road.

''The geography of East London never fails to bamboozle me''

heh. I had to ask around when I got out of bethnal green station but it was easy really.

''dr c there were more beards than you could throw a stick at, but *also* more girls than i would have predicted, and a table of middle-aged laydeeZoRs behind me who said aloud that the tri before E/D was "mesmerising" so :P''

is that what they said? I heard soemthing from them but I didn't know what they said.

the crowd was a mixture and it was sold out as there were ppl sitting ont he floor (which is nice, I've seen improv when I was among 3 ppl).

''of course i really enjoyed it but i feel bad about that now as andrew AND marcello AND julio all missed it!!''

yeah...derek doesn't play often in London. I wouldn't mind getting a collection of night buses home and getting back at 1am but my mum doesn't sleep until I get home if I'm out late dammit (in toronto I could stay as late as I liked and it was fine of course).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 10:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark - yes, I wld v. much like to hear yr thoughts abt the gig, here or wherever. Have DB and EP played together before (I'm sure they must have...)? Was DB playing electric or acoustic or both?

Hopefully there will be other improv gigs (in slightly - ahem - more convenient locations) which will attract a sizeable ilx group AND coachloads of chain-smoking Diana Rigg lookalikes...with beards.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 14:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

no beards, just diana rigg lookalikes thanx.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh bum i totally forgot about this gig.

but would it have been worth missing Oz for i wonder?

bob zemko, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

i saw oz as well

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 18:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, well I also played "pass the pigs" that nite.

bob zemko, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

shit i forgot to watch Oz. damn it they had to start screening the new series WHILE I WAS AWAY!

''but would it have been worth missing Oz for i wonder?''

Bob what do you think of taping things and watching them later?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
another Wire front cover !

Derek Bailey on the front cover of The Wire September 2004

That will make Julio happy !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Another front cover? Delboy's never been on the cover before has he?

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I just watched him last night. And i just posted on the ile 'listening' thread abt it.

About time there was one.

x-post: first time ever in abt 3 years I've been buying the thing.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

julio are you aware of this line up as part of the London Jazz Festival

http://www.serious.org.uk/event_info.cfm?ref=238
Cecil Taylor/ Bill Dixon/ Tony Oxley
Anthony Braxton Quintet

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

absolutely nothing to do of course with publicising the recently issued bailey biographer by wire writer watson.

now, if derek bailey were on the cover of mojo...

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well he's the right age

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

or even "biography."

replace "bill dixon" with "girls aloud" in that line-up and i'll be first in the queue!

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah I knew abt it martian. can't wait to finally see these ppl.

x-post

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

That Wire piece, despite being written by D*v*d K**n*n, is surprisingly good. DB finally dishes the dirt on the split with Evan P!

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 20 August 2004 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

He really does look like Samuel Beckett doesn't he

Bidfurd, Friday, 20 August 2004 09:41 (nineteen years ago) link

He looks more like a skinny Bernard Ingham when you see him in the flesh

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link

You do realise I'm going to have to buy the Wire having said I wouldn't it be buying it again - just to read this, even tho, as Marcello points out, it's written by Keenan.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Kenan is a wonderful writer and this is really gd. Many of the points he raises abt arts funding, records, jazz and the '55 split reminded me of remarks in his interview with nick cain in the opprobium web zine; its gd to point it out here but also there's also a ton more - he's a wonderful thinker on music - and its almost a crying shame that so much was said by ben and not by derek in the 2nd half of his biog (weird how he opened up on evan parker for david but not with ben).

Its a very gd issue and i can confidently say its the best in a while even if I haven't read everything - and I also must mention a lovely epiphany by geeta - the chemistry/music : father/son/daughter undercurrent in both of the pieces was something I couldn't miss.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 20 August 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Super looking forward to this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41IPxA%2BzitL.jpg

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 28 June 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link

I just bought a copy of his Improvisation book the other day. I'm looking forward to reading it but haven't cracked it open yet because I'm still working through Blues People.

Romantic style in da world (crüt), Friday, 28 June 2013 15:26 (ten years ago) link

watson bk came out before, didn't it? i guess this is a revised version.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 28 June 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link

crüt, you can watch the accompanying tv series here: http://www.ubu.com/film/bailey.html

(although, frustratingly, the link for part 4 is actually part 3)

oh yeah, forgot about that. I suspect this is more of a reissue than a revision.

xp

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 28 June 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link

Details of the book Launch

This event has been organised by the AMM (Association of Musical Marxists)

That acronym...such a coincidence ;-)

xyzzzz__, Friday, 28 June 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link

yeah I've watched the film series. Great stuff.

Romantic style in da world (crüt), Friday, 28 June 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link

iirc Part 4 was on youtube.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 28 June 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link

four weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow-YPRq-t8A

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 27 July 2013 09:55 (ten years ago) link

"Playing for friends" is all rather too cosy but he's often actual funny and then hes asking for the time at the end in a "have I entertained these buggers for long enough already" so its all ok.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 27 July 2013 10:01 (ten years ago) link

six years pass...

i saw Bailey at Tonic with Zorn, Joey Baron and Reggie Workman, and though seeing him live was a treat and a great show, i didn't really 'get' anything that didn't come across on record before. if you can't stand his playing after making the best attempt to acquire a taste for it, you're probably fUx0red.

I was at this gig too, having interviewed Bailey for a feature in Jazziz, of all magazines, earlier that day. I also remember there being a duo performance (with Susie Ibarra, maybe?) that was much better than the quartet set.

Anyway, there's a fantastic looking new 4CD box set out - Topographie Parisienne, 3 1/2 hours or so of live material from 1981 with Bailey, Evan Parker, and Han Bennink performing in various combinations (trio, different duos, and some Parker solo - no Bailey solo stuff, though). I just ordered one from Squidco.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 9 August 2019 13:12 (four years ago) link

Here's the full track listing:

CD1
1. DB-HB-EP Trio 41:53
2. DB-EP Duet 12:10

CD2
1. DB-HB-EP Trio 46:01
2. EP Solo 11:51

CD3
1. DB-EP Duet 27:56
2. EP Solo 10:16
3. HB-EP Duet 17:19

CD4
1. DB-HB Duet 39:35
2. HB-EP Duet 12:11

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 9 August 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link

Listening to Webern lately and given that Bailey spoke about him often I shouldn't have been surprised, but op 18 and 19 are amazing because they sound like Bailey is in the ensemble as a featured soloist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXqpeoYSGdY

Brakhage, Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:06 (four years ago) link


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