RFI: Emperor (Norway)

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but even most of them are using it mainly as metaphor rather than ideology

I don't think this is really accurate - as a metaphor for what? General misanthropy? The entire genre of NSBM certainly isn't metaphorical. Also, why pick the German word for "cyclone"? In order to reference Zyklon B, I think, pretty clearly.

― John Darnielle, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think this is really accurate - as a metaphor for what? General misanthropy?

At least partially. As a metaphor for evil/death/destruction/hatred. None of these bands are *really* interested in the "positivist" side of Nazism (environmentalism, protestant family values, etc), they focus on *current* society's view of Nazism as The Ultimate Evil. It's not about the ideology itself but its symbolic value. Because at this stage, satanism as metaphor is no longer very effective due to its overuse (and of course, Marilyn Manson has made this *extremely* silly). There are few more effective ways to convey a message of misanthropy/hatred than throwing around symbolism of that darkest age in modern history...

Also, I noticed some people use it as some sort of a symbol of defiance against the big label/commercialization of the genre. No major/semi-major label will ever sign these bands, and that is a source of pride for some.

― Siegbran Hetteson, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

six years pass...

i grew up just outside of tampa florida, and spent my formative years during the peak and wane of the death metal phenomenon. the brass mug, ace's records, the asylum in st pete ... all staples, all good times. then came black metal, which i love but don't have the exact same connection to due to mainly nostalgic reasons.

the first black metal record i heard was In the Nightside Eclipse, and i've never liked it. the thing is, i really, really like black metal, and i have for years. geez, i dunno. that was probably 1995 or something? so 13 years later i still like black metal, and i STILL don't like Emperor.

am i missing something?!

― Cameron Octigan, Thursday, 29 January 2009 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link

five years pass...

really digging the latest reissue/remaster of Nightside. much better than the one from 1999.

― Neanderthal, Sunday, 6 July 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link

http://concert.arte.tv/fr/emperor-au-hellfest

― StanM, Sunday, 6 July 2014 21:30 (nine years ago) link

I've now received that 20th Anniversary Edition thing, I should do a 4-way listening test between these two versions and my original and the 1999 remaster (I need to dig those up from the basement). But at first listen the Alternate Mix doesn't actually sound that different - not in the way that for example the remastered/remixed "Individual Thought Patterns" does.

― Siegbran, Monday, 7 July 2014 12:07 (nine years ago) link

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