drive like jehu - yank crime: classic or dud?

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Hmm, tough call. I like the distorted guitar tone on the "Sinews" on YC, but I sometimes prefer how different the other version sounds.

^Diego^ (dhadis), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 20:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

okay, update from Swami:

yank crime + "bullet train to vegas"/"hand over fist" + "sinews"(demo)

also:
pitchfork eucalyptus + satan's outhouse EP

no dates yet...

gygax!, Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

oooo pitchfork! Is that album worth picking up?

original bgm, Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

"burn pigs burn" and the EP are pretty nice...

gygax!, Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.swamirecords.com/yank_crime_ad.gif

gygax!, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 06:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fuck yes. It's like Christmas coming early (and/or late, depending on when the Pitchfork album is being rereleased). Everything Rick Froberg does = varying degrees of Classic.

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 07:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

they switched up the bonus tracks on the sleeve:
song 10 is "hand over fist"
song 11 is "bullet train to vega$"

the remaster is clean, they really brought rick's guitar up in the mix...

gygax!, Thursday, 21 November 2002 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

They completely stroked the remaster for the current audience - the original mix is much subtler. S/T dominates Yank Crime, Eucalyptus over S/T. "Production", gygax? I assumed you were named after Pitchblende rather than the inventor of Dungeons And Dragons. Rick slays in every line on the S/T - Yank Crime is overlong in every sense, and he's not as explosive with the deliveries. Obv. a matter of taste. There's nothing to add to Eucalyptus / Saturn Outhouse, is there? You can still find copies of the Nemesis CD floating around US distros.

Chris Ott, Thursday, 21 November 2002 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

They completely stroked the remaster for the current audience - the original mix is much subtler.

i think rick's guitar is too low on the original mix and lacked that "sparkly chime" that is the pride of all telecaster owners. I also think the rhythm section got kinda muddy in the original mix, compare minute 6 of "luau" for example: the bass and bassdrum are more jumpy and live sounding in the remaster.

"Production", gygax? I assumed you were named after Pitchblende rather than the inventor of Dungeons And Dragons.

maybe? @_@ it's one of my favorite records.

Rick slays in every line on the S/T - Yank Crime is overlong in every sense, and he's not as explosive with the deliveries. Obv. a matter of taste.

I totally disagree, "rome plows"/"new math" vox (esp. deliveries) are to my ears well beyond anything on the s/t.

gygax!, Thursday, 21 November 2002 21:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

compare minute 6 of "luau" for example: the bass and bassdrum are more jumpy and live sounding in the remaster.

Very similar to what Matador did to S&E - lots more low-end on the kick and tons more midrange. It's not like they're turning it into a Korn record, but my fondness for the muddier, truly-indie mid-90s sound is probably distorting my take on things. If they'd had access to better technology, etc.

I totally disagree, "rome plows"/"new math" vox (esp. deliveries) are to my ears well beyond anything on the s/t.

Bottom line: "Bullet Train To Vega$" is the best song released under the Jehu banner?

Chris Ott, Thursday, 21 November 2002 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

i don't think so; however, it was a much-appreciated inclusion on the hot snakes setlists on their 3rd (most-recent) tour.

my favorite song is "new math"... this is subject to change though.

gygax!, Thursday, 21 November 2002 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
I was gonna post a new thread, but found this. God, it's a great album-just listening to the reissue. With the release of that and the Pavement 2cd, I'm actually starting to feel really old.

How about a huge Truman's water retrospective set?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

That would take about eight discs. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 14:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Um, I'll get back to you guys on the Trumans oddities retrospective... (Needless to say... IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BADLY!)

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

hey db, i haven't been able to find that bbc session disc that i've been looking (not very hard) for...

is it from the of thick tum, soar..., or godspeed era?

gygax!, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 19:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, Trumans have been performing "Godspeed the Punchline" songs since the "Of Thick Tum" days, so it's all kinda confusing to say which era with respect to album.

The Peel sessions disc is essential though.. it contians three sessions.. One session with Glen, Kevin, Kirk, and Eli from 1993. Second one with Glen, Kevin, Kirk, Eli, and Mike from 1994. Then Kevin B., Kirk, and Kevin C. from late 1994. So I guess "Spasm Smash", post "Punchline", and "Milktrain" eras respectively I guess.

They all sound friggin' amazing.... I still see that disc occasionally go used for $3.. keep lookin'!

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

that's crazy, okay here's something superduper weird...

i work with a guy who sang lead in eli(jah)'s pre-/post-TW band cactopus... i saw them in santa barbara in the early 90s and even 10 years later recognized him. very strange indeedy.

i miss glen's rocking days. i saw him at a berkeley church in september.

gygax!, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

One of the only things I can really brag about, as far as witnessing live shows, is having seen the Glen era Trumans Water about a dozen times. I'm really glad I made the effort.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Um, I'll get back to you guys on the Trumans oddities retrospective...

When I read this I couldn't help but think "isn't everything that Trumans Water has done pretty much an oddity?"

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 21:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, given the death of Homestead and now Elemental(?), now it is. :(

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I saw Glen-model TW here in London a while back (just the once) and it was stunning. I think it was the garage, they were jumping about from one side of the stage to the other and they sounded amazing. I really don't see shows like that too often now. *sob*

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

not my first but one of the best glen-era trumans water shows was at the troubador in LA (their first la show) and they ALMOST cleared out the club within 5 minutes, the heavy industry scene was not expecting such klang und klamor.

gygax!, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

aaah, but that was what they were made for. I still sleep in my Godspeed The Punchline t-shirt. John Peel understands.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

ten months pass...
nordic, is your t-shirt maroon? if so, i am scared.

speaking of t-shirts... swami has drive like jehu shirts (scroll down) with the "artwork" from the first lp (printed on american apparel brand t-shirts). emo guilt has run its course, it's time to get down and boogie.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:36 (twenty years ago) link

Automatic Midnight is better. don't you guys find Yank Crime a bit draggy in parts?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:40 (twenty years ago) link

HERESY

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:42 (twenty years ago) link

nah, your attention span is too short anthony.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:44 (twenty years ago) link

Jehu died for somebody's sins but not mine

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:44 (twenty years ago) link

nah, your attention span is too short anthony.

that's what my friend Ned (not Raggett) says about my inability to appreciate Yngwie Malmsteen.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

Thou shalt have no other Neds but me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:47 (twenty years ago) link

dude he's been trying to contact you on Friendster. He's also been yelling "DEATH TO FALSE NEDS!" a lot so watch out.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:49 (twenty years ago) link

I will be the judge of False Neds (and I have had no other Ned contact me through Friendster, so I dunno).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

i just bought me a shirt in black. thanx g.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

yeah he says the server is always fucked when he tries to read your profile and all, Ned. I'd want to say that all Neds are into Muslimgauze but I doubt Flanders would approve.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

There is always hope. Hm, Jehu T-shirts, that's a fine idea...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

jehu's greaaaaaat.

Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 07:01 (twenty years ago) link

yes they are.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
Costa Mesa!

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

been listening to yank a lot as of lately....wanted to revive this

gman, Thursday, 27 March 2008 05:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Been listening to them a lot lately myself.

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 27 March 2008 19:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Seems a little unfocused to me compared to the songwriting on Hot Snakes records, but I've only listened a few times.

libcrypt, Thursday, 27 March 2008 19:27 (sixteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

this shit goes hard

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link

kind of annoyed they're playing here next month but as part of the dreaded riot fest

tylerw, Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:06 (eight years ago) link

I'm sure the festival circuit means they are getting paid better but it does seem a little odd they are skipping a club tour to play to sub-100 people crowds (according to reports) at Coachella et al.

Fun fact: I have never really listened to this band! Which is weird cuz some people I'm close to would consider them to be a life-changer.

I don't hate them or anything, I've just never gotten around to them.

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link

ha yeah, i'd say they might be slightly overrated by now (inevitable when you're a band lauded mostly on the merits of just one album). but they are definitely great. glad they are getting a payday via the festival circuit...

tylerw, Thursday, 6 August 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link

Impossible to overrate imo.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

do u compute

mookieproof, Thursday, 6 December 2018 01:36 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

amazing album

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 23 May 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link

"their"

grandavis, Monday, 25 May 2020 06:25 (three years ago) link

I think in a way "Sinews" is the song that maybe could have suggested the direction the next album might have gone?

"Sinews" was the first song they ever wrote and recorded as DLJ. It predates their first album and was first released on a comp in 1991 and then re-recorded for Yank Crime.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 25 May 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link

"Sinews" as a path for exploration, not a temporal signifier as to where they were going. Obviously it holds little water as they stopped making music instead of exploring any of it. Thank you for continuing to take the most specific reading of any comment and jumping on it. Why do you think they revisited the song, re-recorded it, and placed it last on the album?

grandavis, Monday, 25 May 2020 20:34 (three years ago) link

That question is one that might have a clear answer in an interview or something, but it is an honest one. It is kind of a curious choice considering what you mention about it (it being an older song and one they had release in another form). I mean it could simply be that they wanted another song for the record and weren't happy with the original recording of course.

grandavis, Monday, 25 May 2020 20:40 (three years ago) link

His artwork for Cargo/Headhunter during the Pitchfork/DLJ years was fantastic imho, though I can see how people aren't into it.

https://i.imgur.com/EoREM4P.png
https://i.imgur.com/WeVS2wN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RS6dmwE.png
https://i.imgur.com/N6dM6o7.png
https://i.imgur.com/v0bTewb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8d7tXCs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wdm7Eyo.jpg

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 25 May 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link

I love Rick's art. I particular love that train one, thanks for posting these.

grandavis, Monday, 25 May 2020 20:51 (three years ago) link

The old Hot Snakes website was dope. Original Rick art all over it.

circa1916, Monday, 25 May 2020 20:58 (three years ago) link

Why do you think they revisited the song, re-recorded it, and placed it last on the album?

I have no idea, but both versions do serve as proper band-bookends... kinda like Slint with "Rhoda"?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 25 May 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link

Interesting point in re the book-ending, as well as the analogue to Slint. It has been way too long since I have listened to "Rhoda," I really love that second version.

grandavis, Monday, 25 May 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link

I was only kidding about the cover art, of course I love it. All of Rick's. Around the time of the Obits when he had a heart scare, I emailed him to see about buying a painting, but never heard back.

I do distinctly remember hotsnakes.com though! What a treat it was to click there.

the burrito that defined a generation, Monday, 25 May 2020 23:41 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

30 years old today, reminded of this nice touch that Rick hand drew the katakana for the Japanese obi:

https://i.imgur.com/QB5G4Og.jpeg

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:05 (three weeks ago) link

^Love that

JRN, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 17:27 (three weeks ago) link

christ this album is so good

see also ✒ Drive Like Jehu ✒Yank Crime ✒ 20ᴛʜ ANNIV POLL ✒

mookieproof, Saturday, 30 March 2024 00:42 (two weeks ago) link


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