R. Kelly - "Trapped in the Closet

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I actually felt the same thing about the cheering -- it did have a kick of overenthusiasm. But that's not R. Kelly's fault, per se. He's actually really impressed me here. Certainly, he seems to understand the possibility of bisexuality, which is more than could be said for a lot of homos, even. Aside from the shock at the initial disclosure that Rufus' lover is a man (man, man), there's really no judgment on his part. He even allows for his gay-sexin' characters to have made "love."

To me, this is the most interesting part of the "Closet" ordeal, which I felt wasn't clever enough to merit its bombast. I'm kinda sorry that I doubted him.

― Rich (Rich), Monday, 29 August 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

so deej if we had an applause-o-meter on for the alternate versionwhere rufus stays with chuck how many less ppl would be cheering? 10%? 50%?? just common, maybe?

― 3, Monday, 29 August 2005 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.mtv.de/artists/feed_img/common.jpg
'i cant believe rufus used to love h.i.m.'

― 3, Monday, 29 August 2005 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

look im sure some dudes (rappers, haircut rockers) at the vmas are a lil homophobic or scared of their own gay vibes but to pretend that cheering the end of a new r kelly song had anything to do with that is total bullshit

― 3, Monday, 29 August 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

What are you trying to prove? That I reacted that way because I want ILM to know how PC I am?

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

3 I think the reasons people cheered are many. layers. like an onion.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

"its the end of the song, let's clap shall we?" is only one of MANY possible interpretations! It's all a beautiful tapestry.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

who can forget mtv's classic public service announcement with bloodhound gang explaining how marriage means one man plus one woman

― 3, Monday, 29 August 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think it's crazy to assume that "Closet" would elicit a greater, more emotionally connected response than your average performance. I mean, that's what melodrama's all about, right?

― Rich (Rich), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=445

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.mtv.com/bands/archive/m/manson00/images/main.jpg
"if the government allows gay sex, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. marriage is not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. americans must preserve institution of marriage."

― 3, Monday, 29 August 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

http://harley.geog.ox.ac.uk/~mark/beavis/bb8.gif

― 3, Monday, 29 August 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

3 is totally otm, you guys are nuts. and even if people were applauding the dude going back to his wife (tho that's incredibly unlikely), that doesn't necessarily make them homophobic!! wtf! dude cheated on his wife but is hoping to be redeemed. if rufus cheated with a chick and then went back to his wife would your hypothetical homophobic applauders be all like yelling out "fuck that rufus, tap that ass!!!!" sheesh.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah for real, dude is a pastor after all!!

― 3, Monday, 29 August 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil what the fuck are you talking about i never accused anyone of being homophobic explicitely, i said 'thumbs down' because i the ending made me uncomfortable and i thought i was rather hard to believe. And your parallel doesnt even make sense.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm assuming "let's settle it christian-like" doesn't mean like the rev. fred phelps.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

it doesn't make sense that a pastor would admit to sin and try to redeem himself??!?? yeah, right, whatever.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought ILM was based around people trying to prove they're not racist, rather than not homophobic?

http://home.earthlink.net/~scottsmiley/images/Confused.gif

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Every married person on ILM is thinking "FUCK YOU DEEJ" right about now.

― The Ghost of Vows? What Are Those? (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

if rufus cheated with a chick and then went back to his wife would your hypothetical homophobic applauders be all like yelling out "fuck that rufus, tap that ass!!!!" sheesh.

Thats the parallel that doesn't make sense.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil you should go chill with your friend THA PUMPSTA.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

it makes total sense, you're just an idiot. think about it: people applauding for a reason OTHER THAN THE SONG BEING OVER might just have been applauding because the guy WENT BACK TO HIS WIFE NO MATTER WHAT THE SEX OF THE PERSON HE WAS CHEATING ON HER WITH WAS. jeez. get one reading comprehension, dolt-i-mean-deej.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

deej seriously you should go FUCK YOURSELF now, asswipe. where was i when other people were discussing kill whitie?!? oh right, ALL OVER THE THREAD SAYING HOW FUCKING LAME KILL WHITIE IS. get one new scapegoat, and perhaps pay attention in class, fuckface.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I Love Music But Hate People

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

"If you don't see it's funny, I can't help you."

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil you can take one lighten-up pill PLEASE.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Deej, take one make-sense pill!

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil you can take one lighten-up pill PLEASE.
-- deej.. (el...), August 29th, 2005.

Doctor, heal thyself.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan what doesn't make sense?

I said the super-happy cheers at the end of the unconvincing skit where the dude who cheats on his wife with a MAN decides to go back to his wife was suspect and made me uncomfortable.

Apparently I'm not allowed to feel this way, and also I've been randomly calling people homophobes and I'm trying too hard to prove how PC I am?!

Fuck that.

xp M@tt I didn't just flip out and call people asswhipes.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

you said fuck you ethan as soon as he came on the thread....you didn't use the term "asswipe" though. that's true.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, and they might have been applauding because alien invaders made them appluade via powerful brain-suggestion-machines, what's your point? They also could have been cheering because "yay, he decided to stay with WOMAN where MAN BELONG" which I don't think is much of a stretch.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"Oh fuck you ethan"

vs.

"deej seriously you should go FUCK YOURSELF now, asswipe. where was i when other people were discussing kill whitie?!? oh right, ALL OVER THE THREAD SAYING HOW FUCKING LAME KILL WHITIE IS. get one new scapegoat, and perhaps pay attention in class, fuckface."

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

it's not my job to give a fuck whether or why people cheer at shit. sorry you're so sensitive, l'il deej. i'm sure all those GAYBASHERS in MIAMI BEACH (yeah right!!!) will get their comeuppance someday.

xpost deej you compared me with kill whitie so i think you deserve all of that hatred and vitriol. you're a fucking idiot.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

well...so you weren't BAITING stence with a COMPLETELY RANDOM PUMPSTA reference??

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"people who disagree with me should be compared to hitler"

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Of course I was baiting him, just like how Ethan was baiting me when he accused me of falling over myself to prove how against homophobia I am. Welcome to ILM, verbal jabs abound.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

deej, stop patting yourself on the back, you weren't even the first person on this thread to claim the cheers for homophobia.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil every post you've made is more ridiculous than the last.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

well at least i'm funny, then.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

To start with the most recent - how am i patting myself on the back?!

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's really cool how I'm not homophobic and was the first one on this thread to notice how people were applauding because Rufus went back to his wife. Job well done, deej!

-- deej.. (el...), August 29th, 2005.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, for starters you're acting like comparing hstencil to a racist dipshit is somehow germane to the discussion at hand and brings a new dimension to this argument and not a completely random, nonsensical aside that seems to serve no purpose than to provide a datapoint for the theory that you are a pissy little bitch who doesn't like it when the gigantic logical fallacies in your arguments get called out.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Dan apparently i'm not 'deej' i'm 'dolt,' so can you PLEASE underline for me where this GIGANTIC LOGICAL FALLACY is?

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

deej just walk away man. this isn't worth your time. you'll thank me later.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Dan apparently i'm not 'deej' i'm 'dolt,' so can you PLEASE underline for me where this GIGANTIC LOGICAL FALLACY is?

that people were applauding because Rufus had decided to go back to his wife, not just because, it was an awards show and it was the END OF THE SONG, like ethan suggested.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

you guys, can't we settle this christian-like

― maura (maura), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Where will we find lions at this time of night, Maura?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

M@tt, like I said upthread, I understand people felt that way, I was just saying that I felt differently. I don't see how ethan is unquestionably right or how my disagreeing is a HUGE LOGICAL FALLACY.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

"Deej says 'Yes'"
Dan says 'No'
Deej say 'Yes'
Dan says 'No'
stence says 'I shoulda known you woulda gone and do some bogus shit up on this board!"

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Also Dan my remark re: pumpsta was pretty below the belt but to be fair I was saying it as a joke because hstencil had mentioned in that thread that he knew who pumpsta was, calling people out for liking pumpsta isn't my new rhetorical technique or something.

― deej.., Monday, 29 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

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(Hahahaha kit OTM, actually!)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Sunday, 18 September 2005 11:57 (eighteen years ago) link

If anybody got part 6 of trapped in the closet send to me at:Hanooman390@hotmail.com but make sure it is the real thing like charaters are in the like chuck,rufus,cathy,sylvester please.

― Richard Hanooman, Monday, 26 September 2005 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.double-whammy.com/photos/wu_tang.jpg

― Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 26 September 2005 01:23 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

did no one see the special on "chapter 6" -- the real chapter 6, not the rufus/kathy/chuck bow-tie -- that aired on BET last night?

some facts gleaned:
the saga is written through chapter 22.
chuck's backstory: he was a transvestite hustler in san francisco who moved to chicago and was saved by rufus' preaching.
twan's backstory: he was running drugs from chicago to atlanta and got busted, and he's just getting out of prison.
the guy playing the cop in chapters 6-12 (out on dvd on 11/1) is not the same guy who played the cop in chapter 4's original edit.

also r kelly did an amazing imitation of himself as an old man, asking what chapter he was up to.

finally, a gun that was introduced in the first segment does, indeed, go off.

― maura (maura), Saturday, 22 October 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

No mention of what happened to the old Chapter 6?

― Candicissima (candicissima), Saturday, 22 October 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, somebody is obliged to YSI to keep us all up to date.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 22 October 2005 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I said the super-happy cheers at the end of the unconvincing skit where the dude who cheats on his wife with a MAN decides to go back to his wife was suspect and made me uncomfortable.

The Intraweb really suxxor sometimes. Deej's feeling is totally justified. So is hstencil's disagreement with it.

So let's call each other nasty names and behave like schoolchildren! YEAH!!!

Besides, only Chapter 1 was any good, anyway.

― marc h. (marc h.), Sunday, 23 October 2005 02:56 (eighteen years ago) link

no, no mention of that. maybe it was actually chapter 5.5?

― maura (maura), Sunday, 23 October 2005 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

RETCONNED

― adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

http://djlioness.blogspot.com/2005/10/anyone-remember-this.html

hold tight lioness on this one

― bobbi (bobbi), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

CAN A NIGGER GET AN MP3???

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

The guy playing the cop is the guy who plays Omar on The Wire!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, I saw the MTV performance of Chapter 6 and I can't believe anyone took this seriously. It was hilariously badly written and performed. "He said this, then she said that, then this other guy said something" ad nauseum.

"Rufus says Chuck we'll talk about it later
then Cathy says this shit is said
Chuck says Rufus I'm leaving, are you coming?
Cathy says Rufus, then Chuck says Rufus
Rufus looks at Chuck and says: Chuck you know I love you"

Surely this is lame. Maybe it works if it's performed by more than one guy but as a one man performance this was just laughable.

― mms (mms), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 06:52 (eighteen years ago) link

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R. Kelly - "Trapped in the Closet - Chapter 6"