And Conor Oberst?
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― tolstoy (tolstoy), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link
haha cuz ya know indie/white hip hop has sooo many different themes!
1) We're not "commercial bling bling" rappers2) We have feelings3) Bush sucks4) The Twin really need to increase their run production if they have any hope of catching the White Sox in the division5) It sucks that Firefly got cancelled6) Have you tried that new Coca-Cola Zero? It tastes almost the same!
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link
He'll love Akon then.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link
Man, have you heard the narrative in most Rock/Pop? This is not philosophy.
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 June 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link
wtf.
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stoner Guy, Monday, 27 June 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― That One Guy (That One Guy), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link
1997, median household income of the second-lowest quintile was around $22k. I'm guessing Em's mom didn't clear that. So yeah, most Americans came from slightly plusher circumstances than Eminem.
― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link
choice cut from the Fresh Prince: "Black radio, they won't play me though," he raps in one song. "Guess they think that Will ain't hard enough. Maybe I should just have a shootout ... just ignorant, attacking, acting rough. I mean then, will I be black enough?"
― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 27 June 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Banana Nutrament (straightu...), June 27th, 2005 3:16 PM. (ghostface) (link)
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yeah I thought that was wierd! -- M@tt He1geson (matt@game[remove]informer.com), June 27th, 2005 3:18 PM. (Matt Helgeson) (link)
I'm just saying that, given the choice between The Chronic and Master of Puppets, I'd probably take Metallica every day of the week because that's just how I'm wired. It's not a race thing. It's a sound thing.
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.., Monday, 27 June 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― tonyD (noiseyrock), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link
Rather, it's that such listeners are only meaningfully exposed to (and thus turned on to) hip hop which the indie/alternative structure as a whole has decided to endorse. It was, I think, impossible to have a passing interest in alt. rock throughout the 90s without coming across much praise of the Beastie Boys as trailblazers, but it would be comparatively easy to effectively ignore the existence of 2Pac etc. This insofar as, for many listeners, mainstream radio play is treated as little more than background noise, but the recommendations of friends, college radio DJs and certain magazines count for a great deal.
There seems to be a rebuttable presumption enforced by this structure of endorsement that whiteness is a prima facie sign of good values and innovation. This can be overcome both ways - ie. white people can be kicked out and black people can be invited in, but they have to make an extra special effort on both sides. Bubba Sparxxx is not part of the club because all of his associations are distasteful (a fat hick who talks about sex as crudely as any black gangsta rapper!) but Michael Franti is because he has good old fashioned uni leftist politics, flirts with rock/soul/etc. and uses live instruments (The Roots and Andre 3000 have been issued guest passes for similar reasons).
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link
It also comes from the perceived position of the person - why it's okay for someone to like Ben Folds' cover of Bitches Ain't Shit because it's perceived to be "ironic" while NWA would never be given that kind of credit.
― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link
and re those subtextual issues, i trust that some of these white "i can't relate to black rappers" dudes are solidly middle-class and are totally immune to what life experiences underlie the above subjects for jigga and fiddy.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link
Haha genetically programmed to like Metallica.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link
Yeah but if it wasn't just you but every seemingly tasteful rock fan they knew who was repping for black hip hop you can bet they'd strain harder to hear the value in the music. Having a friend play you stuff isn't enough in this regard - there needs to be an entire culture of validation such that the hip hop-skeptic feels under pressure to question their own position.
The changes in the coverage policy of Pitchfork is a good example of this process occurring on a wider scale - it's not like the quality of street hip hop has changed dramatically in the last five years, rather it's the critical environment which has changed to the extent that media organs who had previously consciously ignored this music no longer feel quite so comfortable doing so.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 June 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 27 June 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 27 June 2005 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link
Probably. Beck and the Beastie Boys don't really get played on hip-hop radio stations.
if so, why haven't they?
Because they suck?
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 27 June 2005 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link
and again, WHY don't they get played on hip hop stations?
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 27 June 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link
Obv. the exact same thing happens wrt to black hip hop stations and media organs gravitating towards black artists.
The existence of friends who don't follow trends doesn't challenge the overall "trickle down" effect of this structural taste-making, any more than (to use an entirely random example) the existence of non-racist white people contradicts a trend of racial prejudice/privilege as a whole.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link
Does Redman still live in that duplex with his cousins crashing on the first floor and the money jar to buy groceries with?
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 1 February 2009 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link
There's much more to Beck and TV On The Radio musically than just hip-hop (I mean, hip-hop is just one out of several influences), but white people who dislike rap and are heavily into Eminem and Beastie Boys you may wonder about.
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 1 February 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
http://i43.tinypic.com/29pbyuo.jpg
― TACO BIZZLE (The Reverend), Sunday, 1 February 2009 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link
http://mikedoesthings.com/?attachment_id=45
― nakhchivan, Monday, 1 August 2011 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
irish
potato originated in Peru fyi
fuckin white people...
― I saw Mike Love walk by a computer once (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 September 2011 22:55 (Yesterday)
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Thursday, 15 September 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
White people even say, "Pete Rock is bitchin"
Like Tito, white kids think I'm neato
(J Ro on "Pass Out")
any more of these?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
his forte causes caucasians to say
― symsymsym, Saturday, 17 September 2011 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
it comes down to how much people associate a group's image with whether they like them or not
i don't wanna say i'm "above image", but i can succesfully ignore a lot of what a band/group/whatever "stands for" and appreciate them on a musical level. dudes who only listen to beastie boys still prolly can't shake this.
― Hullo, I'm Jon Moss (kelpolaris), Sunday, 18 September 2011 05:15 (twelve years ago) link
my guess is beastie boys-only fans prefer the music from their more boorish days, so problematic image doesn't seem a likely culprit.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 18 September 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
"to white boys I'm rad"
--Pismo, "Artform"
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 October 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think there's anything wrong with liking the Beasties but not really being a hip-hop fan - the Beasties aren't really like anyone else out there
― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rafaua3D__w/Td8Uzr3XPSI/AAAAAAAAEYg/0lcWqQvG4F0/s1600/thinking+frog.jpg
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 7 October 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link