― dave q, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 11:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
(to be precise, he is not strictly speaking the worst - I find it hard to visualise anyone who could be a worse writer than Imran Ahmed of the NME - but that wouldn't quite have the same universal appeal when it comes to chat-ups)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 11:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
Only someone who doesn't appreciate pop culture could say Madonna's a dud.
― russ t, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 14:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 15:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
From what I heard Portillo was trying to persuade her to be the star turn at the next Tory election rally. Still she's moved back to LA now, so the sight of her standing next to Bob Monkhouse, Jim Davidson and Ben Elton (prediction) will not come to pass.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― russ t, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― russ t, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
You're probably right at that. What the fuck happened to him anyway?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 16:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
She is also a very crafty song-writer. What is so amazing is how she plays with song structure. Guys if you have ever written songs, you know it takes a musical-genius to write that many styles of song-writing. It is fucking hard. I don't know how she does it but it is her. Yea I know she collaborates but from what I have read, she is always the primary lyricists. She has written very complex songs. Her use of different song structures is nothing short of brilliance. And to make them all hits like she does is pretty astounding.
I am not interested in the petty fighting between fans of different singers that goes on. I am just giving my opinion as a musician. Madonna is the real deal. Even other bands I talk with that aren't into her music give her props for being the real deal. In our circles, we respect Madonna even if we aren't into her music. She is a classic all the way and will go down as one of the top 10 greatest female singer/song-writers of all time. She is a musical genius.
― Gizmo, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link
Didn't realize people actually used such terminology.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 23:59 (twenty years ago) link
Oh, and classic or dud, she represents all the worst of postmodern media saturation, celebrity for celebrity's sake, nihilistic materialism, etc. I root for her stalkers.
― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Thursday, 17 July 2003 00:36 (twenty years ago) link
I didn't listen to her seriously until that point as well. She's great.
― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 17 July 2003 00:41 (twenty years ago) link
So maybe I can't be objective.
― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Thursday, 17 July 2003 00:58 (twenty years ago) link
A living legend.
And the video of Hollywood is just stunning. As are the remixes.
― russ t, Thursday, 17 July 2003 08:40 (twenty years ago) link
remixes sound good tho
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 17 July 2003 09:05 (twenty years ago) link
Also, she should start releasing the great tracks from American Life, and there are definitely quite a few. I'd go for Nothing Fails and Mother and Father.... both classic Madonna.
― russ t, Thursday, 17 July 2003 09:48 (twenty years ago) link
Why in the heck did they put "Borderline" as the third song on Immaculate Collection? I don't get that. Those other songs ("Lucky Star", "holiday") weren't released as singles earlier, were they? I don't think so. I swear "Borderline" was the first video I ever saw. That's kind of annoying sequencing. I think "Borderline" is just so fantastic - the type of song that should really kick off a greatest hits collection.
Anyway, let's talk some more about Madge. We haven't had much opportunity to do so; the last album flopped, god bless her, but what can you do? It happens. She is still awesome in my mind.
I finally saw Swept Away on HBO or something over X-mas but whatever, it wasn't too bad. I loved the original, and Madonna's didin't seem to bad. Decent flick.
Anyway ... Madonna!!!
― Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 25 January 2004 12:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 25 January 2004 12:40 (twenty years ago) link
Madonna would benefit from a Lennon-like 5 year voluntary break from the public eye/music world...
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 25 January 2004 12:54 (twenty years ago) link
Because:1) the album is chronological 2) it could not start more perfectly3) the song's classic-ness is "borderline" at best
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 25 January 2004 18:41 (twenty years ago) link
I can't believe it! This is the song from Live Aid you can't get on the commercially available DVD! And I found it by accident when I played Human League's Human video. God what luck. I love You Tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lABvKuDZFKE
― Bimble, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 04:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Hmm. So I'm the only one who cares? I realize it's not the best song in the world, perhaps, but it's been the missing chapter in her Live Aid performance for me, it's the missing link, the mystery solved, I feel so relieved.
― Bimble, Sunday, 23 September 2007 05:17 (sixteen years ago) link
It's ok -- this appeared on True Blue, no?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 23 September 2007 12:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know - did it? I've been wondering what album it came off if any. I guess I could look it up and I will do so, but too tired right now.
― Bimble, Sunday, 23 September 2007 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Indeed it did. Last track, in fact.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/True-Blue-Madonna/dp/B000002L9S/ref=sr_1_1/202-6023791-6219064?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1190557045&sr=1-1
― JN$OT, Sunday, 23 September 2007 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, much better than the "Revolution" train wreck.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 23 September 2007 14:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Christ almighty Alfred you are OTM in that regard! I mean that shit was just tragic.
― Bimble, Sunday, 23 September 2007 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, isn't it about time she releases a compilation containing the original 7" versions of her singles? Particularly "True Blue" sounded very different as a single than as an album track (and video), and it isn't avaiable anywhere except in its 12" version as a bonus track on the "True Blue" remaster.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 10:07 (sixteen years ago) link
She needs to fuck off and retire at long last.
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link
She should rather have rested from 1990 to 1997, as she didn't produce much of value during that period anyway. From 1998 onwards, she has been great.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 09:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Dud. Fucking horrible woman.
I don't know what's most over-rated - her music or her "looks".
I'd rather hear Guy Ritchie sing. And wear a cone-shaped bra, come to think of it.....
― PhilK, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 01:49 (10 hours ago) Bookmark Link
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 12:43 (sixteen years ago) link
83 - 89 = CLASSIC92 - 94 = ok98 = quite good but not classic99 - present = DUD
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
i think her voice is actually underrated. listening to angel recently and although she has difficulty reaching the low notes, i like how she used to sing in a lower register than how she sings today. she seemed to have more vocal character then. though it might also be cos she seemed to have more of a soul/R&B influence back then too.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
Her lower register = classic. Responsible for: "Angel," "Live To Tell," "Who's That Girl," "Oh Father," etc.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
she should have gone away after ray of light, though even there, i think dance music brings bad qualities (and lyrics) out in her. but then her decision to write so much of her own material since then in association with a producer seems to bring out worse qualities. the only two ROL songs i really like are candy perfume girl and the title track.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
I love "Skin", probably my favorite track on the album.
Actually a decent amount of that album has her in her lower register, which I agree is better than her middle/upper register.
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
titchy with the most boring received wisdom on her eras there
― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
Almost twenty years later, I'll admit: Bedtime Stories >>>>>>>> Ray of Light
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
lex with the most contrarian, but still wrong wisdom. let me guess, you think the 99-present era is her best?
the lower register thing doesnt really hold perfectly true ill admit - eg - material girl and like a virgin arent in her lower register but are still totally classic.
take a bow is better than most of ray of light.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 14:30 (twelve years ago) link
I'd agree with that, but that doesn't mean Ray of Light is bad.
The singles off of Bedtime Stories are uniformly excellent, some of her best material ever.
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
Lots of solid album tracks too: the glacially melancholy "Love Tried to Welcome Me," the first "Forbidden Love," "Sanctuary."
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw, i think beautiful stranger is pretty good in terms of the ROL era
i think just looking at madonna post-ROL has also ruined her music for me, perhaps i need to warm to the skinny leotarded madonna more
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know that I've ever heard the entire Bedtime Stories album, actually! If I have, it didn't make an impression.
I think Madonna has firmly slipped into radio single territory for me after the all-out ball of weird that is American Life. Nothing she's done since has been as strong an artistic statement to me, so I haven't felt the need to own or listen to it with any regularity; AL has a confluence of ideas that should read to me on paper as a total trainwreck but instead comes across to me as a really compelling listen.
― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
Anyone who doesn't rate Erotica among her 2 or 3 best albums is now actually in the vanguard, I'd guess.
― ephendophile (Eric H.), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
ill have to relisten to AL. yeah its cohesive but i found that even that sort of unity didnt add up to enough.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 22 June 2011 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 3 February 2024 00:57 (one month ago) link
No one wants to say “to save some dough”
"Ok Madonna, we've looked at the tour budget and we are a little over. We could either cut the light show, or cut the musicians, what do you think?"
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 February 2024 02:10 (one month ago) link
Madonna brought Kylie onstage for a couple songs last night in L.A. and i think the earth's axis shifted.
― omar little, Friday, 8 March 2024 18:32 (two weeks ago) link
My wife was there... she thought it was a little odd that they performed "I Will Survive" (and then played just a few bars of "Can't Get You Out of My Head"). Her overall review of the show was mixed...
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Friday, 8 March 2024 19:36 (two weeks ago) link
pretty obvious it was just a quick cameo, maybe somewhat impromptu based on Kylie being in town at the time, and that they'd have to do a couple songs they would both know, just a couple logical picks. def more about the iconic moment being created and not the production values.
― omar little, Friday, 8 March 2024 19:50 (two weeks ago) link
Apparently it was the slot in the show where she normally does "Express Yourself."
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Friday, 8 March 2024 20:04 (two weeks ago) link
Which she apparently does acoustic, for some reason, right?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 March 2024 20:14 (two weeks ago) link
Oh, I don't know... she said "I Will Survive" was acoustic.
She took a pic of Lenny Kravitz walking up the aisle... she also saw Jeff B3zo$ there.
― Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Friday, 8 March 2024 20:20 (two weeks ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1RAd9hPhUU
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 8 March 2024 21:43 (two weeks ago) link
yes, this acoustic number is part of the show and she’s been alternating between I Will Survive and Express Yourself. there is also the vogueing competition segment, and a different guest judge gets invited in each city (we got pamela anderson in vancouver), so perhaps the plan was to have kylie as a guest judge and they decided to use the occasion to do something more?
― scanner darkly, Friday, 8 March 2024 22:20 (two weeks ago) link
She called out a person from the stage for sitting down only to discover they were in a wheelchair!
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 March 2024 22:30 (two weeks ago) link
yeah that was pretty cringe
― scanner darkly, Friday, 8 March 2024 23:02 (two weeks ago) link