Neil Young and John Lydon.

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Steve is a lot more of an affable, down-to-earth, humble, funny guy, yes.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

It's better to burn out than it is to rust, It's better to be Johnny Rotton and go down in flames, than it is to go on like Elvis. Like Alex SF said. I don't understand why Lydon, who pretty much orchestrated the end of the Sex Pistols, fails to see this. In fact, his band was basically based on the idea.

― danh (danh), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe he DOES see it and resents the fact that he still needs to be Johnny Rotten now and then to pay his bills.

Forgot to say: Collardio otm.

― Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

So then Mark Mothersbaugh's music for Malcolm in The Middle is not secretly about Malcolm McLaren?

the music for that show is by They Might Be Giants, though apparently Mothersbaugh wrote the music for a Malcolm ripoff show called Tucker.

― &, Monday, 22 November 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

miccio beat me to it wr2 mr. lydon's oddly rockist opinions about hip-hop. what w/ both crunk and grime, you'd think that he could find SOME entree into that music (given his stated liking of electronica).

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link

add in "fodderstompf" (which kinda sounds like proto-hiphop) and "world destruction" (an actual rap song), and his statement is even more puzzling.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 08:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember reading an interpretation that it was about rock criticism and how everyone just kinda moves on to The Next Big Thing and the idols burn out or fade away.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 08:16 (nineteen years ago) link

But why does he say 'is this th story of THE johnny rotten'? Why use 'the'? That always bothered me.

― Seuss, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 08:53 (nineteen years ago) link

John Lydon was a Neil Young fan - especially "Zuma" - one of those embarrassing revelations that Malcolm McLaren was desperate to keep under wraps (along with Lydon's liking for Peter Hammill, Kevin Coyne, Beefheart, Can etc)

― Den Dadaismus in seinem Lauf hält weder Ochs noch Esel auf... (Dada), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"Devo also claim that Richard Branson approached them about having Lydon take over as lead singer."

[tries to imagine result.... brain melts]

"The Devo-meets-Branson story is hilarious, BTW.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/6139053.htm?1c"

-- brianialex (lyriclas...)

Can someone please post the text of this without me having to sign up for membership of whatever it is? Thanks!

"John Lydon was a Neil Young fan - especially "Zuma" - one of those embarrassing revelations that Malcolm McLaren was desperate to keep under wraps (along with Lydon's liking for Peter Hammill, Kevin Coyne, Beefheart, Can etc)"

I've heard all of those before (you missed out Miles Davis / Bitches Brew btw!) except Neil Young / Zuma.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Another story is that Can wanted Lydon to become their lead singer - which sounds like utter bollocks to me. As Lydon himself put it, "Can? In 1978? Do me a favour!" or words to that effect.

― Den Dadaismus in seinem Lauf hält weder Ochs noch Esel auf... (Dada), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh no!

My brain's going to spend the entire day recreating "Jocko Homo", "Mongoloid", "Come Back Jonee", "Sloppy", "Girl You Want" and "Whip It" with John Lydon on vocals now....

.... and I'm supposed to be going to see Tom Waits tonight too!

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"As Lydon himself put it, "Can? In 1978? Do me a favour!" or words to that effect."

Absolutely. In 1978? Preposterous!

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf100/f149/f149830ux2w.jpg
(1979)

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I think he meant, why on earth would he want to join a bunch of German hasbeens pushing 40 and put out records like "Out of Reach"

― Den Dadaismus in seinem Lauf hält weder Ochs noch Esel auf... (Dada), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, not if he had the opportunity to join a bunch of geeks wearing boiler suits and strage pyramid-shaped hats and put out records like "Total Devo" instead, anyway!

TS: Disco Dancer vs. Death Disco!

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

But why does he say 'is this th story of THE johnny rotten'? Why use 'the'? That always bothered me.

In Out of the Blue, it's "This is the story of A Johnny Rotten"
In Into the Black, it's "Is this the story of Johnny Rotten?"

If that distinction is of any use...

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe it was just mutual appreciation . One of Lydon's selections for the Capital Radio show he presented during the Summer of 1977 was Revolution Blues from On the Beach.

― wtin, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah! See, I was right!

― Den Dadaismus in seinem Lauf hält weder Ochs noch Esel auf... (Dada), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

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― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Bloody thing's not inserting again!

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― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I give up!

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

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― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

nope. Too big.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

McLaren was really annoyed by that

― Den Dadaismus in seinem Lauf hält weder Ochs noch Esel auf... (Dada), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link

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― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

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― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

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― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Every answer on this thread has been by an Al or Alex. Outstanding.

Hey, my "actual" middle name is Allan!

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

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