Boys of Summer [cover]song question.

LMAO!

For what it's worth, I didn't much like the original either. Eh. Need to get that tape deck fixed in my car.

Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong has been nabbed by the long arm of the law after being caught driving under the influence.

Armstrong was pulled over in his black BMW convertible early Tuesday morning in Telegraph Avenue, San Francisco.[gygax notes: actually berkeley, ca] He was caught speeding and then failed to pass a sobriety test.

Police described Armstrong as co-operative and released him on $1200 bail. He was also commended for making no mention of his celebrity status unlike a certain Ms Ross a few days earlier on a similar charge.

Armstrong was taken to the local police station, charged and released. He will face court later this month.

oh and "they sang" in my previous post. I wasn't singing along, honest I wasn't.

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I think what irks me about that is that it implies some vague assertion of inheritance, as if to suggest that the Ataris are in some way related to or are torch-bearers for the legacy of Black Flag, which is irritating on a variety of levels.

and anyhow surely today's pop punk surely wouldn't exist were it not for the example of black flag and other early american punk/hard core/whatever. whether or not you see some kind of spiritual connection is even farther beside the point.

why am i arguing anyhow? you seem so set in your hypercriticism of contemporary rock bands and uncritical enthusiasm for bands from about 20-25 years ago, on principle. i have no idea why that music inspires such slavish devotion and this constant concern for deviation/desecration.

i was respoding to alex's last comment, not jaymc's.

Well, I always interpretted the line in Henley's original as Don lamenting the seeming hypocrisy of extolling the Dead's communal, love&peace&dope hippy aesthetic on the preemninent symbol of affluence and avarice.

and anyhow surely today's pop punk surely wouldn't exist were it not for the example of black flag and other early american punk/hard core/whatever. whether or not you see some kind of spiritual connection is even farther beside the point.

Rather a sweeping, blanket statement, don't you think? I'd say the Ataris have much more to do with, say, the Dickies or the Ramones or Bad Religion and their specific offspring (pun intended) rather than the unflinchingly dark, decidedly UN-poppy Black Flag. This is not to say that the Ataris themselves can't recognize a simillar hypocrisy of someone showcasing their endorsement of Black Flag -- a band whose artistic mission statement dealt primarily in nihilism, self-reliance, anti-authoritarianism, isolation -- on the bumper of, once again, the preeminent symbol of wealth and establishment.

why am i arguing anyhow? you seem so set in your hypercriticism of contemporary rock bands and uncritical enthusiasm for bands from about 20-25 years ago, on principle. i have no idea why that music inspires such slavish devotion and this constant concern for deviation/desecration.

Another cop-out based on presumption. I don't categorically deride all contemporary rock bands, I'm just decrying the ones that set themselves up for critiscism in this manner. I think there are a lot of bands currently going that do have something interesting to say, and less reliant on swaddling themselves in the cache of earlier bands from earlier periods in order to get noticed.

And in terms of my "slavish devotion," perhaps you've never felt any sort've affinity for certain music before. Is it all just sonic wallpaper for you? No emotional attachment whatsoever?

surely selling out is part of the loss of youthful ideals!!!!!!!!!!!

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sorry alex, you're probably right. it just seems that you hold up all these ok or mediocre 80s bands as the standard against which most contemporary rock must be judged unfavorably.... which to me is like you're talking in a foreign language simply because i have no stake whatever in those 80s bands.

Back on topic, and back to the Grateful Dead...I believe Don Henley was asserting some lineage with the Grateful Dead...basically intoning that he got them, and that the sight of a Steal Your Face sticker on someone's Caddy was offensive or sad to him, because the Grateful Dead meant something to him (as offensive to hardcore Deadheads as that might seem).

Didn't the Ataris have a succesful single pre-dating the Henley cover, though?

I think it would be great if a nu-metal band covered Sonic Youth.

The young sing along, drinking along with friends, driving along in the first car, the lust of bikini clad pretty girls, the lies that come from the innocence of first love--no one ever thinks the fun will end at 17--this is why the cover is more poignant then the boomer classic.
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as for black flag, the only genre left who hasnt sucked artifices cock dry is punk, and pop punk attempts to do that, with the quick efficeny of a wet/dry vac.

the line about black fly is both a genre signifier and an apology--we are "real" punks, even with our love of don henley, and we are sorry that we have had to make this cover...but for emotional/finical reasons we did.

Depends on what you mean by successful...

The funny thing is that the Atari's "In This Diary" is even worse, and it's an original.

(also, side question: which has been covered more by mediocre pop punk bands, this or "take on me"?)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, August 22, 2003 12:43 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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^^^^

i don't know crap about this cover version, but the original is one of the best songs of the 80's.

I still want to hear the original demo.

why? it probably wouldn't have the cool drum machine or the synths or anything that makes this song rule. it would probably just have don henley wheezing all over it

a song that cuts deeper every year

also, it's strange that young people in the 80s were so hung up on nostalgia and the loss of youth. "forever young", "young turks", "glory days", "jack & diane", etc. if they only knew...

pretty sure the original demo is all drum machine & no henley. This is discussed somewhere here or Wikipedia or ?

Bat for Lashes does this on her current tour and it's beautiful. Here it is.

https://youtu.be/bQ_TnYlvcR8

This made me think of the concept of an unimpeachable song, a song that everyone likes. Everyone I know fucking hates the Eagles and thinks Don Henley is a piece of shit, but everyone loves this song because it's so fucking good. The only other song I can think of right now that has that level of acceptance is probably God Only Knows.

maybe this will embedd:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ_TnYlvcR8&feature=youtu.be

well fuck that, you can click the link above

It's the transitive property of Mike Campbell. Everyone loves Mike Campbell, Mike Campbell makes everything better, Mike Campbell wrote and plays on this, Mike Campbell makes Don Henley better.

Wow, I didn't even realize that. Maybe I should have given fleetwood mac with Mike Campbell a shot before dismissing them completely. Clearly he made everything he did with Petty pretty excellent.

JiC absolutely otm.

xpost Also Neil Finn, who is nothing but class. I would have loved to see a Finn tour with Mike Campbell, it's the rest of Fleetwood Mac that turned me off that outing.

yeah Finn is excellent. I probably should have bit the bullet on it but I'm still a Buckingham stan.

Out on the road today, I saw a Bright Eyes sticker on a Cybertruck
Tried to share a pic, but Insta was down, I was out of luck

Out on the road today
I saw an Andrew WK sticker on a Highlander (Hybrid)
A little voice inside my head said
"Don't get wet, you can never get wet"

https://i.imgur.com/O7NHdyB.png

Out of the road today I saw a Tackhead sticker on a Chevrolet
Little voice inside my head said, "Right on the edge. We were walking right on the edge."

Basically, same as the last post: a guy in his 50s walking out of the grocery store yesterday wearing a Skinny Puppy T-shirt, enough to activate that little voice inside my head.