emo BM-core, it's what's next
Yeah, I've only heard one Antaeus song, on the World Domination IV comp. I thought it was pretty good, though!
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Scott Seward, Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
I read every one! I have a few albums John D and Siegbran have recommended, but not much.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Scott Seward, Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― original bgm, Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Scott Seward, Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Scott Seward, Thursday, 27 March 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― original bgm, Thursday, 27 March 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Scott Seward, Thursday, 27 March 2003 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
Is it that difficult to find? Drakkar still lists it, at least in their january catalogue.
And yes, it is very good, musically a mix of Immortals "Pure Holocaust", Beherit and old Impaled Nazarene, and sonically rabid, in-your-face sharp and clear. Prozak is OTM here. The hype did put me off from buying it initially but I'm glad I bought it anyway.
― Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 27 March 2003 22:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 27 March 2003 23:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
that antaeus album bored the shit out of me - but i'm kind of retarded and would rather listen to mutiilation than, say, immortal.
― your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 27 March 2003 23:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
Can't wait to get the CD replaced today and find out if the rest of it is as awe-inspiring. I truly was missing something!
― M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 28 March 2003 09:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's true that there are fewer highlights on those two but still Prometheus is a fine black/death metal album though not nearly as deathish as Zyklon and Myrkskogs albums of the same genre.
― Daddy DB, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link
Anthems is slightly overrated but pretty classic, especially the segue from the into track to the opening riff of "Ye Entrancemperium".
In the Nightside Eclipse, goes without saying, is completely classic and the one truly essential Emperor album.
I have to say that even though sometimes I disagree with him, Siegbran's depth of knowledge and understanding of metal is pretty awe-inspiring. John D too, come to think of it.
― latebloomer: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be (lat, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Emperor seems to do a thing that hardly any other metal does and that is make me feel like I'm being buffeted around in a mighty whirlwind.
― Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link
Whoopee!
― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 08:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be (lat, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 08:56 (eighteen years ago) link
otm!
― latebloomer: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be (lat, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 10:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link
"Hi, I like heavy metal, please don't ban me ;)"
remember everyone, emperor is touring the u.s. this year. be there or be square!
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be (lat, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link
i'd say 'with strength i burn' from anthems is their defining moment. a near-perfect fusion of clean/black vocals, and compelling all the way through. some sort of interesting lyrical theme about trying to transcend the human limitations of the body or something. intriguing.
in the nightside eclipse would rank as the best overall record, i suppose. definitely the perrenial fan favourite and with good reason. nothing else sounds quite like it.
i don't dislike 9th equilibrium at all. it's not like it's less intense than what came before it - samoth is at the top of his game here. a handful of fantastic tracks too... 'sworn', 'an elegy of icaros', 'curse you all men'...
― Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 03:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I've only heard In The Nightside Eclipse but that rules.
Cut Your Flesh and Worship Satan by Antaeus.which is a bitch of an album to find, and I wonder if it's as good as people say it is.
which is a bitch of an album to find, and I wonder if it's as good as people say it is.
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 08:42 (sixteen years ago) link
i still can't tell if I prefer Nightside or Anthems so my solution is to always listen to both back to back
― Neanderthal, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:14 (seven years ago) link
also is anybody seeing their reunion shows in Europe? if so I am jealous
I am not huge into symphonic BM other than these dudes and Summoning which is weird because Emperor were pretty much the first black metal band I got into so I thought that would be my shit.
is there other good symphonic BM in Emperor's vein? I heard people swear by Limbonic Art when I was 19
― Neanderthal, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:15 (seven years ago) link
Setherial Nord is like the lost album between Nightside and Anthems.
― Siegbran, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:48 (seven years ago) link
Thanks!
― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 February 2017 00:57 (seven years ago) link
Lunar Aurora's first few, esp the debut Weltenganger; sort of a midway point between Emperor and Limbonic Art
and another German band called Drautran, whose Throne of the Depths album borders on Anthems plagiarism, but it has that "pretty and vicious" tone to it
― Devilock, Monday, 20 February 2017 01:36 (seven years ago) link
for the sake of posterity I should add that Lunar Aurora turned into something infinitely more interesting than "kind of like Emperor" in the second half of their career, and even in those early days there was something wonderfully ominous, almost psychedelic, in their sound; Emperor always sounded triumphant, like you're the protagonist in their songs, while Lunar Aurora had that impersonal Lovecraftian "you are insignificant and doomed" thing going on
― Devilock, Monday, 20 February 2017 01:51 (seven years ago) link
some other symphonic bm albums worth checking out:
Odium - Sad Realm of the StarsNazxul - IconoclastVesania - Firefrost ArcanumSirius - Aeons of Magick
and if you're feeling really adventurousApotheosis - Farthest from the Sun
the main problem with drawing inspiration from those early Emperor albums is that the resultant contrast is gonna be like that between playing a tabletop rpg and swinging an actual broadsword at actual leather-winged acid-spitting abominations -- but there's some merit to be found in the attempts
― Devilock, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 03:52 (seven years ago) link
Nokturnal Mortum Goat Horns is a good Nightside-clone. Dimmu Borgir Enthrone Darkness Triumphant is also much closer to Emperor than their later stuff. Keep of Kalessin Through Times of War too.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 14:00 (seven years ago) link
Anthems will always be one of my favourite metal albums
― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 14:41 (seven years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scattered_Ashes:_A_Decade_of_Emperial_Wrath
From disc 2 I already have "In Longing Spirit" , "Opus a Satana" , "A Fine Day to Die" and "Gypsy" but how essential is the rest?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 20:24 (two years ago) link
The Moon Over Kara-Shehr rehearsal is very essential, best thing on that disc. Recorded between Nightside and Anthems, Hellhammer on drums, Steinar from Arcturus on keyboards, and it's glorious washed-out chaos.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 9 September 2021 08:58 (two years ago) link
Surprisingly, Scattered Ashes is one of the most well put-together "best-ofs" I've ever heard. I haven't heard the second disc for a good while now but I seem to remember the Thorns cover being really good
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Thursday, 9 September 2021 09:25 (two years ago) link
Siegbran's decriptions at the top of this thread are brutal. There's something to be said for all their albums - 'In The Wordless Chamber' is all-time
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Thursday, 9 September 2021 09:31 (two years ago) link
https://www.decibelmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/img-48.jpg
synthwave/metal label, Blood Music, was basically made off the back of the labels boss wanting to release an Emperor boxset.it does look very impressive.did anyone here grab it, as i believe they sold out rather quickly.
― mark e, Thursday, 9 September 2021 11:18 (two years ago) link
Siegbran's decriptions at the top of this thread are brutal.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:21 (two years ago) link
Thanks, Siegbran.
Second album is still my favorite. I never totally warmed to the 3rd and 4th but they have some great stuff on them.
In general I dont have much use for criticisms like silly, ridiculous, pretentious etc. I think those things usually have to do with familiarity, comfort zones and preferences. They seem even more meaningless in the context of metal, goth and prog.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:29 (two years ago) link
There's definitely something power metally and "heroic" about the vocals of the 2nd album onwards. Didn't like that initially but it makes sense now.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:33 (two years ago) link
I think with a band like Emperor the whole silly/pretentious "we are really ancient wizards" thing was always there of course but to me the suspension of disbelief just worked better under the hazy/mysical blanket of Nightside and Anthems than under the clearer/sharper/riffier two albums afterwards, there it almost becomes Manowar-esque.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:36 (two years ago) link
2021 Siegbran and 2003 Siegbran both 100% correct.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:02 (two years ago) link
Siegbran - I thought you'd warmed on Anthems?
I can easily see why people might like Nightside best, in some ways I prefer it, but the energy on Anthems is just off the charts, one of the best rock albums I've ever heard.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link
Anthems is out there
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:55 (two years ago) link
Anthems is a good album, I just listened to it again. I used to hate the mix but it doesn't really bother me so much anymore (or maybe I just have better speakers now).
There's a lot of Nightside part 2 (such as The Loss And Curse Of Reverence which is still the album's high point I think), but there are quite a few really goofy and bad vocal parts (With Strength I Burn is the biggest offender here, even though the final three minutes where it gets mostly instrumental are great) and there's this emerging tendency to insert all these short guitar solo breaks into songs that don't really need them, that would get worse on the later albums.
― Siegbran, Friday, 10 September 2021 08:21 (two years ago) link
What bits of the vocals do you perceive as "goofy"? The clean-sung vocals or the little spoken-word breakdown. I'm kind of tempted to say that metal is inherently goofy and that these parts are kidn of what makes it cool. That said, I should really go back to Nightside more
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 10 September 2021 09:50 (two years ago) link
Well the clean vocals are mainly bad, the spoken word stuff is mostly goofy, but there's considerable overlap :)
― Siegbran, Friday, 10 September 2021 10:36 (two years ago) link
That said I have less tolerance for the Cradle Of Filth/Arcturus school of community theatre than most.
― Siegbran, Friday, 10 September 2021 10:39 (two years ago) link
I love Arcturus but some of their albums (Masquerade Infernale) had objectively terrible vocals on them
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 10 September 2021 11:37 (two years ago) link
― Siegbran, Monday, February 20, 2017 1:48 AM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink
Does sound like it, but I wish it was true of the songwriting.
― Nabozo, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:13 (two years ago) link
I'm kind of tempted to say that metal is inherently goofy and that these parts are kidn of what makes it cool.
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, September 10, 2021 10:50 AM
Yeah the silliest and most embarrassing stuff in music is often what you end up loving most. It's like musicals being inherently embarrassing for me but that's what ends up making them feel freeing and a joy. FREEDOM!
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
Listening to Anthems always feels like a special occasion for me. Makes me feel like I could fly across the universe.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:55 (two years ago) link
It was my intro to the genre so it's very hard for me to think of it in any critical way
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 10 September 2021 19:12 (two years ago) link
Does sound like it, but I wish it was true of the songwriting.― NabozoMost of those songs are three minutes too long yes but I have to say the repetition works and they bring some great riffs to the table, I’m still very fond of that record. I’m usually annoyed by such blatant copying of one specific band’s sound in literally every aspect, but for some reason it doesn’t bother me there.
― Siegbran, Friday, 10 September 2021 20:33 (two years ago) link