What books about music ARE worth the paper they're printed on?

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chanan is disappointing i think: great idea (heh) timidly executed < / rubbishing the opposition>
the problem with c.cutler is his bluddy awful taste in music!!

meltzer's gulcher is actually my favourite meltzer
john cage: silence
tosches: country and unsung rock'n'roll heroes
music grooves: keil and feld
adorno's book on wagner
henry pleasants: the great american popular singers
ben thomps*n's two books (disclaimer: he's a really close friend)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ocean of Sound, eh? I haven't read the book but I did finally track down the accompanying double-CD at UK half.com. (I'd hate to admit what I paid for it.) Awesome stuff.

I agree with Nathalie about Greil Marcus, although I did like Mystery Train. He's got a lot of people fooled.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

mark-what did he write other than seven years...?

robin (robin), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Agree with James Blount about the Guralnick books. Also add 'Feel Like Going Home' to those.

Another vote for 'Psychotic Reactions and Carburretor Dung' - a very entertaining read.

Craig Werner - 'A Change is Gonna Come: Music, Race and the Soul of America' is excellent.

Charles Shaar Murray - 'Crosstown Traffic' - looks at Hendrix from a variety of angles.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

i find gm interesting and useful = i don't think i can be "fooled" about that

robin: his other book is "ways of hearing"

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Add:

The Recording Angel by Evan Eisenberg (much slept-on book, and sadly OOP)
The Rise and Fall of Popular Music by Donald Clarke (you don't have to agree with him to find it fascinating)
Flowers in the Dustbin by James Miller (ditto)
It Came From Memphis by Robert Gordon (not about music only, but close enough)

Subtract:

Guralnick's non-Elvis books
Marcus' twaddle-laden Basement Tapes book
Toop's twaddle-laden Exotica
Tosches' twaddle-laden Where Dead Voices Gather (and I say that as a huge fan)

I don't see Stranded anywhere. It's a bit dated, but there's some great writing there.

Lee G (Lee G), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Colin Escott's books are all very good, loaded with info. Roadkill on the Three Chord Highway is good esp. for the case Escott makes for Roy Orbison. It's not the first time reading a book made me go out and buy an expensive record, but it's the most gratifying.
Robert Gordon's It Came From Memphis is great too, if you're into weirdos.
All of Meltzer's books are great, but The Night (Alone) is by far the best--but you'll have to dig through the remaindered piles to find it. I got mine for like $4, about 1/1000 of what it's worth, y'know, spiritually. It's not really much about music though. It's mostly about a man and his dick and the love between them.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

On A Cold Road - Dave Bidini
Have Not Been The Same - Barclay, Jack and I forget the other, sorry.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

"This Must Be The Place" by David Bowman (aboot Talking Heads) is one of the ONLY music-books I've really liked.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Creation Records Story: My Magpie Eyes Are Hungry for the Prize by David Cavanagh is fascinating, but only if you have any interest in 80s british indie.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 15:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

X-Ray, Ray Davies

or better yet, Dogwalker, by Arthur Bradford, it's not about music, but if you like music, you'll like his stories.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

nathalie
[quote]Macattack, you mean an almost but not quite entertaining book. ;-)[/quote]

I take it lists and cronology are not your thing. :)

Macattack (Macattack), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Creation Records Story: My Magpie Eyes Are Hungry for the Prize by David Cavanagh is fascinating, but only if you have any interest in 80s british indie.

It's a pretty good social study all around, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

-The Boy Looked at Johnny: the Obituary of Rock and Roll - Julie Burchill and Tony Parsons (if you can find it)
-Our band Could be Your Life
-Please Kill Me
-Last Night a DJ Saved My Life
-Psychotic Reactions and Carb. Dung

these are the 5 I would go with for joyful and informative reading. If you choose to go the Greil Marcus route, God help you. I just never found his writing enjoyable. Informative maybe but nothing to spend a present on. Check those out from the library.

Carey, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Volume: The International Discography of the New Wave, 1982-83 edition - I used to work for the guy who put this out, didn't think it was that hard to find. Is this the one with the pink cover or the one with the blue cover? I think the latter is hard to find, but he's still got copies of the pink one. Go to the Archive of Contemporary Music's record sale in June.

I'd add Val Wilmer's As Serious as Your Life, for starters.

hstencil, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can anyone recommend a decent book about the glam era? You know, one I won't be embarassaed about having wasted the time on?

TMFTML (TMFTML), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are you looking for an overview or anything in particular? The only overview book I know is Hoskyns' Glam.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's really all I've seen. Have you read it? (And an overview is what I'm looking for). I know you shouldn't judge a book by, etc., but the civer shot and the trim size reminded me too much of "Hammer of the Gods" to let me pick it up. Any thoughts?

TMFTML (TMFTML), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Read it -- quick, easy read, a bit of a Cliff Notes version of the subject, but handy enough.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

j.lu, I'll trade you something for that 1st edition of that Eddy book, if it's not already gone (may have missed it somewhere in the thread).

I'll second Bidini's On a Cold Road, though it may be of limited interest to those outside Canada. And Meltzer's A Whore... is definitely worth having, especially to see his evolution through the years.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Glamour Chase - Maverick life of Billy Mackenzie (Tom Doyle)
Lovingly written, fascinating insight into the dark, troubled mind of a musical genius who died before his time.

Boy George - Take it like a man - one of the, if not THE, finest rock autobiography. His tales of cold turkey with Diana Ross and Marilyn were brilliant....

russ t, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Booth's True Adventures of the Rolling Stones -- A rare find: a music book that's completely engrossing even if the reader has ZERO interest in the subject. Booth is a wonderful writer, a mix of Faulkner and the Beats. Stylistically he's fantastic.

Tosches' Hellfire -- Similar to Booth's Stones book, Hellfire's writing is timeless, coming off like Faulkner and Twain. The way he breaks down Jerry Lee Lewis (God, the devil & dirt) is ingenious.

Meltzer's Gulcher -- His best work. His writing is spectacular, loose but tight and always on the verge of big ideas.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Of the ones not mentioned I'd suggest Ben Thompson's 7 years of plenty and Ways of hearing..

Nik Cohn's Ball the wall, which collects most of his writing from the 60's and 70's.

Brian Eno's A year with swollen appendices.

Bill Drummond's 45, and if you can find it How to have a number one the easy way.

I know he's not particularly hip but Simon Frith's Music for pleasure covers a lot of similar ground to the discussions which regularly reoccur on ILM.

Chris Heath's two books about the Pet Shop Boys are excellent too, especially Pet Shop Boy's versus America, which has some fantastic Pennie Smith photos.

As for (auto)biography. I'd go for Julian Cope's Head on/Repossessed, Tom Doyle's Billy Mackenzie bio The glamour chase and Charles Mingus's Beneath the underdog

And finally try to get Ray Lowry's Ink and It's only rock n' roll. One of the most acerbic and incisive commentators in the business.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Glamour Chase

VERY good choice. The more time goes on the more I'm frustrated with Mackenzie's death and his obscurity.

Chris Heath's two books about the Pet Shop Boys are excellent too, especially Pet Shop Boy's versus America, which has some fantastic Pennie Smith photos.

Seconded, thirded and fourthed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anybody willing to recommend Fargo Rock City now that the hype (huh huh) has kinda died down on its paperback release? I've been kind of eyeing it, seeing as how I used to live mere hours from there and can probably relate to it. Well, except for the fact that rural metal meatheads were the ones that were always threatening my life. Anyhow, what's the final verdict?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Second Beneath the Underdog. A hilarious read, and worth it even if you don't like jazz.

hstencil, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

joe carducci hehe...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Did you ever find that, Julio?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

no I didn't sean. anyone that has a copy and wants a tape of some avant garde rubbish email me.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

There's some really insightful, funny writing in Fargo Rock City, about music and small town life both. I'm somewhat sympathetic to rural metal meatheads these days.

Although he has this strange idea that he's the only rock writer that likes 80s glam metal/non-alternative rock, it bugs the fuck out of me. At least that's the impression I got. But he really knows his stuff!

Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sound Effects - Simon Frith
White Christmas - Jody Rosen
Sound Tracks - Michael Jarrett

Burr, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

chris and ned are so right.
i've read 'literally' by chris heath 7 times
amd 'versus' about 10. fantastic, but more because
of who they're about than the writing.

oh and by the way chris, ned - if you go here :

http://petshopboys.net/default.html

and click 'literallys',
you can read transcripts and see pictures from every
original chris heath-penned psb 'literally' fan magazine,
from the mid 80's to present. they are all wreitten
in the same style as the books and they are ace.

isn't the internet great ?

piscesboy, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Although he has this strange idea that he's the only rock writer that likes 80s glam metal/non-alternative rock, it bugs the fuck out of me.

Klostermann's regard of himself as the holder of absolute truth grates, on that point and others. In that respect he's cloned the crimes of those indier-than-thou writers he's trying to set himself up against. Which is a pity, because as noted, he's got the right idea and plenty to say. I find the afterword in the new edition to be something that should have been left off, he ends up shooting himself in the foot when he doesn't need to.

isn't the internet great ?

Yay internet!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

internet sucks

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

internet sucks

You forgot, "you pieces of shit."

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

but you remembered, you sweet thing you.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 19:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

s: But Beautiful, by Geoff Dyer it's about Jazz
Bright Moments by John Kruth
In the COuntry of Country by some dude

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 20:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Second Beneath the Underdog. A hilarious read, and worth it even if you don't like jazz
Reccomended if you love Penhouse forum.

Am I the only person who Likes The Trouser Press Guides??

brg30 (brg30), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

second (or third or fourth, whatever) the Ben Thompsons. also (thanks for reminding me Tom, must dig it out)Starlust: thats a funny/scary book. esp the Barry manilow fans.

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 23:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

1. STRAIGHT LIFE by Art Pepper
2. UP AND DOWN WITH THE ROLLING STONES
3. WONDERLAND AVENUE by Danny Sugarman
4. GET IN THE VAN by Henry Rollins

NO TIME FOR SCREAMING, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I second Michael Chanan's Repeated Takes and Nick Tosches's Country. The latter is totally factually unreliable, but it is very entertaining and will point you in the direction of many great things (I was surprised that it's not half as patronizing as its cover or subtitle would suggest, either). It's also pretty cheap in paperback.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 01:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Now that I'm home and can look over what the heck I have, Tainted Life by Marc Almond is a great autobiography, Chris Lendt's Kiss and Sell is an insightful and often hilarious look into Kiss from 1977 or to 1988, and Neal Karlen's Babes in Toyland is now essential history from 1992 and 1993.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is The Ambient Century really so bad? I got it for Christmas a few years back but haven't tacked it yet. Ditto John Cale's What's Welsh For Zen?. Managed to get through Lamacq's Going Deaf For A Living, however, which was, er, mildly diverting.

Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Stairway to Hell!!! Literally changed my life. Hell if I know if it will help you but might.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, and Tainted Life heartily seconded, although I left it on the tube before I finished it, bah.

Can't believe nobody's mentioned Jon Savage's England's Dreaming - am I the only person whose whole worldview it changed?

Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm still mad at it for making me buy a Subway Sect album, sorry.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Give yourself to Vic Godard. He loves you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Vic Godard was like a reverse-gateway discovery for me. I loved Orange Juice, heard that they were inspired by VG and the Slits (and indeed cover one or two VG songs). Picked up VG and the Slits, and was fairly unimpressed (esp. by VG). Then began to wonder what it was I saw in Orange Juice. Who I still like, I guess, but with no great conviction.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Loves me or not, he sure as fuck posed no threat to rock'n'roll despite what his song titles or Jon Savage say to the contrary.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Charlie: yes it's really that bad. Douglas sums it up pretty nicely:

http://12.11.184.13/boston/music/other_stories/documents/00630909.htm

charlie va (charlie va), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

across the great divide is cool if yr a geek about the band.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

A surprising number of the 33 1/3 books are worth the paper they're printed on. There's a thread about them here somewhere. I can recommend the ones on Murmur, Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, Low, In The Aeroplane Over The Sea, The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society. There are another half dozen or so I want to read.

Slavoj Zizek's wife, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i think most books are worth the paper their printed on! paper isn't that expensive! (but i steal all my paper from work so whadda i know)

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

There's an interesting thing about that 1976 version of the Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock and Roll. It includes an essay on Neil Young, written by Dave Marsh, that is not too laudatory and highly critical of Young's output at times. Unlike most (maybe all, I'm not sure) of the essays in that edition, Marsh's essay has been dropped from updated versions for a more positive Young piece from another writer. I don't agree with Marsh's assessment of Young, but it is worth a read. Also note the year: 1976, before Young's ascension to "60's vets who still matter" status with Rust Never Sleeps, et.al. You definitely get a timely perspective on Young not beholden to critical deification. (Though, as I said, I don't agree much with Marsh's conclusions).

James, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I read the True Adventures of the Stones book when I was like 15, right after I'd read No One Here Gets Out Alive and Hammer of the Gods. I remember thinking at the time how different it was, that it seemed more like a piece of literature than the trashy bios I'd been reading -- which bummed me out at the time!

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't really front on hammer of the gods though! that book is a hoot! i read it as if it were the bible of rock as a lad.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Crazy From The Heat by David Lee Roth

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Crazy From The Heat by David Lee Roth

OMG I FORGOT! THAT'S THE MOST CRAZY ENTERTAINING SURREAL AUTOBIO EVER! Rollins on ghost writing too I guess....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

ILB thread

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost: good antidote for the Kinski autobio, I think.

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Rollins ghost-edited Crazy From The Heat, not ghost-wrote. But yeah it's ace, like The Dirt if they weren't morons.

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

oh and i just read "the dirt," that motley crue thing. pretty disgustingly funny.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

next read Fucked By Rock: The Unspeakable Confessions Of Zodiac Mindwarp!

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link


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