Loveless: Classic or Not That Classic

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It's actually kind of good, isn't it?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

the rhythm tracks are kind of banal for an album that's so otherwise sonically adventurous

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmm.

I'm listening to it on CD and on headphones for the first time. (I've had a cassette for a while, but I never listen to it, and I've always considered it overrated.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Just because something's overrated doesn't mean it's not great.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

amateur!!st otm, but that's one of the things that gives it its character. It's probably got the most linear dynamics of any album evah

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 30 August 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i have no problem with people loving this album, but there are certain qualities of it that seem to have become the basis for something of a whole aesthetic, even an ideology, for some people. in a lot of mentions on ILM it ceases to become an album and becomes, like, a totem.

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I keep forgetting that I was in a band in college that covered "Only Shallow" once.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i really like this record btw, but there are at least 15 other records released in the 1990s that communicate more to me

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

a whole aesthetic, even an ideology, for some people

Are you saying you don't have albums like that for yourself? ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, he doesn't even know what this thread is about.

I was just listening to this actually!

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you saying you don't have albums like that for yourself? ;-)

no, i can't think of one album or even one genre that serves as a kind of organizing principle for my tastes.

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i was listening to this last night. i like that weird instrumental track. also listening on headphones reveals that the lyrics to many of the songs actually contain their titles!! who knew??

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

no, i can't think of one album or even one genre that serves as a kind of organizing principle for my tastes.

Good! Then you might be surprised to find you are not alone.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anyone think that UNWOUND sounds like Loveless in some points on the last album, texturewise?!? Am I on crack?

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

unwound bettered it

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

A harsher edge in general, Unwound, but I think there's a definite thrill of sound-qua-sound that they had which has parallels. It's been a while since I've heard Leaves Turn, might have to give it another listen. Bettered? Great band, but I will not go that far -- especially on the basis of live performances.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't understand why people have such trouble deciphering the lyrics to Loveless!!! I mean yeah not all of it's intelligible but certain phrases certainly jump out, yes?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

well there's that one song that's almost poppy and where the lyrics are foregrounded in a way they aren't on the other tracks. what is the name of that one?

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

"Sometimes," I'm guessing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

My guess is "Blown a Wish".

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry to be vague, i just don't have the record w/me right now

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm...did it have one guitar part and a high synth line plus vocals?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

uh i think it has the line "...could not love me now..."

― amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

today will be the day i transfer this to ipod and listen to it on headphones for the first time in years

― artiste (artiste), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep, that's "Sometimes"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i can remember stealing this CD during my third year of university. after hearing a track on our local campus station, i decided i needed a copy but the CD was only seemed available as an overpriced import. i was working at a record store at the time, and while we were doing inventory (comparing what we should have to what we actually had), i noticed the store had no record of its one copy of the album. so i took it.
fuckers never paid me enough anyway.

― Bruce S. Urquhart (BanjoMania), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember listening once to Loveless and loving it. When I finally bought it a few years later I didn't like it as much becaus it reminded my to The Smashing Pumpkins (who I hate).

― daavid (daavid), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

And well it should remind you (Mr. Corgan has been most open about admitting where he got a lot of the sound from).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually even the vocals sound the same. I actually thought it was B. Corgan singing in one of the songs.

― daavid (daavid), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Huh. Corgan in a very quiet mood, perhaps.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

gish came out in the us in may 91, loveless in november. so how could loveless have influenced the smashing pumpkins debut (their most mbv-like album)? which is the only pumpkins album to keep, imho (mellon collie has its moments but is way too long). and which i found as impressive as loveless when it came out. probably even more mesmerising on headphones.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, MBV certainly had similar records prior to 'Loveless' of course. I actually played the 'Soon' video for my ex-gf (who had never heard MBV) and she said "interesting, I hope you don't mind me saying that it sounds like Garbage."

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 06:51 (nineteen years ago) link

*rimshot*

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 06:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, Garbage have acknowledged the debt as well.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 07:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Not as good as Isn't Anything. Which wasn't as good (as GREAT) as the '88 EP on Mercury.

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a feeling "Isn't Anything"'s time is coming

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 08:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I've had "Loveless" since 1992. It's been one of my favorite CDs since I got it. I just got Isn't Anything a few months ago. I doubt I'll ever be into it like I am into Loveless, but I'll try. Still haven't heard any of the EPs.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 08:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i love loveless

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it's tuneless fuzzy shoegazer shit.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

your mommy didn't give you enough attention:-P

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

GOTCHA!

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Although really I was hoping for much more indignant and belligerant incredulity and offensiveness than a sticky-out-tongue emoticon. :oþ

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I am actually very fond of their earlier stuff as well, I heard it before "Isnt Anything" came out. Stuff like "Paint a Rainbow" and "Moonlight". Cutesy.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 2 September 2004 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone actually heard the '85 debut This Is Your Bloody Valentine?
AMG only gave it 2 stars and called it an "unfocused and derivative collection of post-punk goth rock" but I still wanna hear this thing.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 2 September 2004 07:10 (nineteen years ago) link

This Is Your Bloody Valentine = rubbish. Seriously, it's not worth the bother.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 2 September 2004 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahahaha I'm listening to This Is Your Bloody Valentine right now (thanks to the help of a kind ILXor who sent me links to d/l). The first song kinda sounds like the Cramps or Bauhaus. Not that bad.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 3 September 2004 09:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Not That Classic! Loveless really doesn't seem to be aging all that well.

Meanwhile, things like the The New Record by... and Sunday Sundae Smile EPs are some 378 times better than is widely ackowledged (ie. what Trayce said!), but that debut is pretty messy.

― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Friday, 3 September 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Only Shallow

Sleep like a pillow no one there
Where she won't care anywhere
Soft as a pillow touch her there
Where she won't dare somewhere

Sleep like a novel subject and
Think that you grew stronger there
Speak your troubles she's not scared
Soft like there's silk everywhere

Sleep is a pillow come somewhere
Where she won't dare anywhere
Look in the mirror she's not there
Where she won't care somewhere

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:04 (nineteen years ago) link

"Sleep like a novel subject"

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link

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Same here!! I keep checking tracking and USPS is still waiting for it (label created and that's it).

― Evan, Thursday, 4 November 2021 14:23 (two years ago) link

Shipping Label Created, USPS Awaiting Item
October 25, 2021 at 8:29 pm
YPSILANTI, MI 48198

― Evan, Thursday, 4 November 2021 14:24 (two years ago) link

2 weeks

― Evan, Thursday, 4 November 2021 14:25 (two years ago) link

aw bummer, i got my deluxe loveless last week

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 November 2021 14:49 (two years ago) link

xpost - well i guess it's somewhat comforting that it's not just me but seriously they've had my money for a long time now it's annoying

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 November 2021 15:37 (two years ago) link

30 years of Loveless. i still can't help but wonder how big MBV could have gotten if someone (such as myself) had delivered them a "radio ready" mix and master

are you ready to take your career to the next level and want your mixes to stand up today's pop hits? contact me today pic.twitter.com/aAmMQonJq1
— collin (@spiketvviewer) November 4, 2021

― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 5 November 2021 20:34 (two years ago) link

"margaritaville millennial"

sure thing, jerkass.

― the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Friday, 5 November 2021 21:11 (two years ago) link

Uncertain as to whether that's very well pitched niche satire or... well, lols either way.

― Noel Emits, Friday, 5 November 2021 21:16 (two years ago) link

loveless (magaritaville remaster)

― the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Friday, 5 November 2021 21:29 (two years ago) link

kevin shields:

"collin never had any hand in mastering the album. i remember him making margaritas at some point, and he had these weird ideas about making the album radio friendly, whatever that was supposed to mean, so we completely ignored him, other than the margaritas, which were also not very good".

― scanner darkly, Friday, 5 November 2021 23:12 (two years ago) link

Going to guess some kevin shields bass would knock that stupid stuff off the top of his eoeakers

― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 6 November 2021 01:06 (two years ago) link

Speakers, argh

― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 6 November 2021 01:06 (two years ago) link

Margueritas not included.... Oh wait! (on the right)

― Mark G, Saturday, 6 November 2021 10:27 (two years ago) link

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