Come Anticipate "Brokeback Mountain" With Me

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i wouldn't dwell on that.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 11 November 2005 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link

well it can't be THAT graphic 'cause i thought obviously shown penises get an X rating.

sonore (sonore), Friday, 11 November 2005 06:44 (eighteen years ago) link

it depends on the state of the penis

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah if it's dead you can get an "R".

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Or if it's floppy and only onscreen for a second. See: The Piano.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

But it has to be *floppy*. A cold, shrivelled penis also gets you an X.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Trainspotting had penis.

giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I was going to mention the collected films of Ewan McGregor, but there you go.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Ewan has a magnificent member, IIRC.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Bad Lieutenant.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Was definitely NC-17.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

And most of Ewan's films have also been NC-17. Trainspotting shows his johnson in silhouette which is probably another way of getting an 'R'.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Ewan's macgregor even appeared to be at half-mast while he was doing "TV Eye."

I thought Heath Ledger gave the best performance in "Monsters Ball" --I don't care much about accent authenticity, and if only Halle Berry's character had blown her brains out before she did all that caterwauling.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

The thought of Ewan at half mast makes me temporarily gay.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Which makes him fully erect. The irony!

'Twan (miccio), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

It's weird how the plot arc of this story and film confirms the Vito Russo / Foucault chestnut that the only unacceptable image is of two gay men who just do walk off into the sunset together; a vexed committment to a kind of selfhating "realism" demands a tragic resolution that forecloses queer happiness or continuity. Which makes you wonder if Forster's "Maurice" isn't the more radical work, rather than just wishfulfillment fairytale.

but . . .

I am totally stoked to see them make out with each other.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

why does calling penises "members" always sound so... icky?

Kim (Kim), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Because it sounds less human, like tentacle hentai?

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've always cringed at that term, too.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i still keep reading this as "Bareback Mountain"

splates (splates), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I am having a hard time finding a SINGLE Ewan McGregor film that is NC17 (unless the Pillow Book being unrated counts), much less MANY! What are you people talking about???

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Young Adam was NC-17, wasn't it?

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I think unrated does count. It baffles me that any theater would carry an unrated movie and not an NC-17 movie. It's the same thing, with the same age restriction.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, never mind, Young Adam was NC-17 and the studio cut out Ewan's cock to get an R in the states.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Why does he always want to show his cock to everyone, is what I wonder. They should've put that in Star Wars, would've been soooo much better.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

the studio cut out Ewan's cock

OW OW OW

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

He should have whipped it and started making light-saber noises. (oh come on, we've all done it.)

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Why does he always want to show his cock to everyone, is what I wonder.

Because it is magnificent. Like George Michael's ass, it will one day rule the world.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got a GREAT ASS!! Let's go to the video!

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

>a vexed committment to a kind of selfhating "realism" demands a tragic resolution that forecloses queer happiness or continuity.<

Except, particularly with movies, the lionized/cherished love stories seldom see the couple together at the end (exempting comedies -- or unless they're ghosts).

"Maurice" is most definitely wish fulfillment.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

It sure is. And the Anne Proulx story on which "Brokeback Mountain" is based is a better work of art too.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

(better than Maurice, that is)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

George Michael's ass is no Bruce Springsteen's ass.

And yes, dramatic film love stories generally don't end happily ever after. I'm sure there's several where the story is about all sorts of horrible shit people do to each other or endure and then everything works out in the end anyway, but I can't remember any of 'em off the top of my head.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

omg Hot Lips agreed with a post of mine, I musta SAID SOMETHING by aksident -- THERE'S GONNA BE ONE FROSTY CONJUGAL BED IN NO.VA. TNITE!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

can you please stop being an obnoxious cock, in other words?

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

obnoxios member, you mean.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

to provide the source texts so that I'm not badly summarizing:

People can tolerate two homosexuals they see leaving together, but if the next day they're smiling, holding hands and tenderly embracing one another, then they can't be forgiven. It is not the departure for pleasure that is intolerable, it is the waking up happy.- Michel Foucault

A happy ending was imperative. I shouldn't have bothered to write otherwise. I was determined that in fiction anyway two men should fall in love and remain in it for the ever and ever that fiction allows, and in this sense Maurice and Alec still roam the greenwood. I dedicated it 'To a Happier Year' and not al together vainly. Happiness is its keynote - which by the way . . . has made the book more difficult to publish. If it ended unhappily, with a lad dangling from a noose or with a suicide pact, all would be well . . . but the lovers get away unpunished and consequently recommend crime. - E. M. Forster

The question is one of what makes a story worth telling; a story of a happy couple who stay together without incident would be boring, and of course no one would make a film about it. But . . . the imperative that gay sex lead to death and punishment in the name of realism reifies the very problem it depicts/memorializes, and this is a strategic, political problem for how we represent gay existence. It's got nothing to do with whether Annie Proulx's story is well written and moving (which it certainly is in my opinion).


Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link

ilx - members only

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

"registered user"

jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Maurice doesn't really end happily unless you willfully ignore the fact that there are actually 3 main characters.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 12 November 2005 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't read any interviews with Proulx -- has she in any way placed the ending in the context of the Mathew Shepard murder, which preceded the story by (i'm guessing) a year or two? Which took place in one of those clean Western states.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 November 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Not bad, EComplex. Of course, you're wrong about Diane Keaton.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 12 November 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I will concede Annie Hall. The film holds up surprisingly well. She's completely charming in it. Unfortunately, that was 30 years ago. But Buster Keaton...now there's a Keaton who won't destroy your film...unless, of course, you plan to make a talkie with sync-sound!

EComplex (EComplex), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I won't hijack this thread, but consider: Sleeper, Annie Hall, Manhattan, Reds, Shoot The Moon (her best performance), Mrs Soffel, The Good Mother, Baby Boom, Marvin's Room, Something To Live.

A lot of this films are awful, but all of them feature a great Keaton performance.

(And I haven't even mentioned her Kay in The Godfather series)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 12 November 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i saw it last week, and bloggeed about it, its v. v. v. good

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 17 November 2005 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Jake in denial? He says it's about "straight guys who fall in love"!

http://towleroad.typepad.com/towleroad/2005/11/gyllenhaal_in_d.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I mistakenly read the thread title as: Come Anticipate "Bareback Mountain" With Me

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

A paradgm play - social microsurgery masquerading as alpha man/beta boy love.

Proulx may well mitigate the course of many confused, love starved raging hearts...with 68 small pages (large typeset). Amazing. The book/movie underlines,capitalizes and italycizes auto-betrayal of the heart and unites its close cousins - anguish and hoplessness. This rendition of love exposes, in its tortuous lesson, the 'right key'. Timely

Brokenot, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link

The story makes it clear that Jack's been twistin' before Ennis.

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 June 2010 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

this movie

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:32 (twelve years ago) link

Seems like Randy Quaid's actin' like mean ol' Joe Aguirre:
Randy Quaid Sues Over 'Brokeback'
Actor claims producers defrauded him

TMZ obtained a copy of the lawsuit, filed Thursday in Los Angeles Superior Court, claiming producers falsely represented the movie to him as "a low-budget, art house film, with no prospect of making any money." Quaid claims the representations were a ruse from the beginning. 'Brokeback' has grossed around $160 million.

Quaid's suit claims that in 2004, he met with director Ang Lee, who offered him the role of Joe Aguirre. The suit alleges that Lee told Quaid: "We can't pay anything, we have very little money, everyone is making a sacrifice to make this film."

The suit does not specifically state how much Quaid made, but it does claim that the defendants "were engaged in a 'movie laundering' scheme designed to obtain the services of talent such as Randy Quaid on economically unfavorable art film terms..."

The suit asks for $10 million in damages as well as punitive damages. It also seeks "restitution for all ill-gotten gains."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto)

foreshadowing of crazy?

omar little, Saturday, 25 February 2012 04:05 (twelve years ago) link

Guessing Randy would love to work under economically unfavorable art film terms now

da croupier, Saturday, 25 February 2012 04:20 (twelve years ago) link

lol that randy quaid screenshot

it took me a while to see this, but i thought it was a pip

RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 26 February 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago) link

i guess the ending was a little 'tragic homo' but i thought it was great anyway

RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 26 February 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Was just wondering what happened to Lucas Hedges ...

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 20 March 2023 13:31 (one year ago) link

He had himself fitted for Heath Ledger's jacket.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 March 2023 13:34 (one year ago) link

"A play with music" but definitely NOT a gay-ass musical, heavens no!

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 20 March 2023 13:36 (one year ago) link

I can imagine Faist as Jack Twist more easily than Hedges as Ennis del Mar.

jaymc, Monday, 20 March 2023 14:43 (one year ago) link

I can definitely imagine them in those roles better than the inverse.

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 20 March 2023 14:58 (one year ago) link


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