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Except for Carradine only being there for the first arc, I think they're better later -- but it's hard to compare, it's a pretty solid show. The girl from Veronica Mars has a great part for a couple episodes (was it just one ep? I don't remember now), and Brad Dourif just gets better and better as the show goes on.

The Deadwood website at HBO.com is better than most of their show sites -- some meaty, if short, interviews, historical trivia, etc. Maybe there's just more to say about this show.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 23 January 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

FIVE SEASONS?

The thought of forty eight more episodes of Deadwood causes me to drool uncontrollably.

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Monday, 24 January 2005 09:43 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
thanks to the wonders of On Demand (comcast: I hate you, but I hate you very slightly less because of this feature which makes my stupendously huge cable bill somewhat justifiable) I've finally gotten around to watching the first season of this and it's great! much more riveting than I was expecting.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 13 February 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

totally. I miss it (I don't have cable anymore) but i hear it's out on DVD now?

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, 13 February 2005 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes. And very well-encoded, with commentaries on each ep. by relevant persons. This really is a much better show than it deserves to be, innit? And the opening credits = perfect.

Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 13 February 2005 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah. It was the best show on television for a while. At least until Arrested Development. My dad is totally Swarengen's doppelganger. It's uncanny.

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, 13 February 2005 02:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"Let's get the cunts afuckin!"

thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Sunday, 13 February 2005 10:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't wait to rent this up after i'm done with the wire!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 14 February 2005 08:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Fascinating New Yorker article, if not for the faint whiff of, well, bullshit...should I give the show another try?

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

That fucking show Deadwood is fucking brilliant. And that fucking cunt Lovejoy is the best fucking cunting thing in it.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, it's great! how much of it did you watch, adam? it didn't pick up for me until the third episode.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I watched about 2 minutes of episode one.

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

that is not even giving the show one try!

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to say this show is so much more interesting than fucking Carnivale, which lost me 3/4 of the way through the first season and I never had the energy to go back to.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like horses.

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

This is right after OZ and the Wire on my Netflix queue (as I said on another thread.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

there are not that many horses in this show, there are a lot of pigs though

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

also, it is extremeley violent and WEIRD

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

All of this sounds good to me.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

the only thing I don't like about it is the Calamity Jane character who is way way way overacted and annoying.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Is she played by Doris Day?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Dinah Shore

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

the only thing I don't like about it is the Calamity Jane character who is way way way overacted and annoying. I totally disagree. I think she's one of the most amazing characters on the show! The scene where she breaks down in front of Swearengen seems a bit much early on, but given the fleshing-out she receives later in the season it's totally warranted.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

well I'm only at episode 6, so I'll take your word for it

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Also: I'm writing a spec episode of this, so I'm not entirely unbiased.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:35 (nineteen years ago) link

My other favorite show, after The Wire. I got more and more impressed by it all the way through the first season, as they layered on more ideas and characters. What I like is that it takes conventional Western themes -- the whole taming-of-the-frontier thing, the tensions between individual and common/social power, etc. -- and makes them more complicated. In a way, it's like what happens after the movie ends: the politics and commerce and negotiated alliances that go into creating civilization, and the trade-offs that come with them. I thought the plague subplot was great, the formation of an ad-hoc authority in the face of a crisis.

And one thing it shares with The Wire is that it takes politics seriously -- not as abstract talking-head stuff, but as part of on-the-ground daily life.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link

OZ is crap, Alex in SF likes it!

adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 24 February 2005 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha the SHIELD wishes it could carry OZ's jockstrap!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 24 February 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Note: OZ's jockstrap may smell sorta funny.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 24 February 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay so I watched the first two episodes (no POWERS BOOTH yet) and this is really quite good EXCEPT for the language sounds completely and ridiculously modern (I'm pretty sure cocksucker was not quite as in vogue a term as this show implies--if it was even used at all.) But that's a minor quibble really.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 March 2005 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link

completely and ridiculously modern (I'm pretty sure cocksucker was not quite as in vogue a term as this show implies--if it was even used at all. Err, not as frequent. But very accurate. Anyway, Milch has the show written as a morality play, and the historical reality is of very little concern.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Thursday, 3 March 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

this show is pretty good! i actually started to like it more as it got closer to the end of season 1, which i finished last night (nb: the extras on disc 6 are pretty interesting, milch seems like a really smart guy)

however my main problem with show is--well, i have a few problems.

1) too much good-guy olyphant. i like the actor when he goes roguish but i don't really like watching him as bullock (buttock? what is his character's name?)

2) while i'm a fan of the long-game, long-arc tv show (ie buffy, the wire esp., i claudius etc.) i feel like deadwood isn't really handling it that well. it puzzles me why a lot of the show's strands get so much time, almost like milch is stalling while he warms up the good stuff. it's all b-plot!

ok two problems.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 3 March 2005 06:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually kinda like how the b-plots are the plot. A lot of the ostensible big conflict moments happen without a lot of fanfare. What matters is all the rest of the stuff happening around the margins.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 3 March 2005 06:28 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i just find that a lot of them aren't quite so compelling--i'd rather be watching ian mcshane!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 3 March 2005 06:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean in theory, yeah, i agree with you, but it doesn't work quite as well as it does in say the wire.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 3 March 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, I realized while watching "Something About Mary" on TV tonight that Dan the barman/hit-man in Deadwood was Cameron Diaz's retarded brother.

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yeah, nothing about it works quite as well as The Wire...but I'll take it in the absence of.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 3 March 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

(maybe cuz there isn't enough payoff?) (xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 3 March 2005 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

"I'd Rather Be Watching Ian McShane" would be a good T-shirt.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 3 March 2005 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

or erotic tattoo

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 3 March 2005 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link

They should take advantage of the hype and show Lovejoy on American TV. It's very strnage being a brit in the US for a while and seeing all the british actors on TV playing Americans - i haven;t seen Deadwood, but i have seen a medical drama starring....Hugh Laurie! Actually, its not bad. I wonder if Steven Fry will get all bitter and resent his fame - sort of Pete and Dud style, if you know what I mean.

Of course, the worst is Catherine Zeta Jones and her terrible American accent in the T-Mobile ads. Horrible!

Robin Goad (rgoad), Thursday, 3 March 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

cunts

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 3 March 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I just finished the second season of The Wire yesterday. That's, along with The French Connection and Prime Suspect, one of the best police procedurals ever. In fact, it's really almost exactly like The French Connection extended over a dozen hours.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 March 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"Ain't things cloudy enough? Don't we already enough fucking imponderables?"

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 7 March 2005 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

oops..."...have enough fucking imponderables?"

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 7 March 2005 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

"We're joining America -- and it's full of fucking lying thieves and people you can't trust."

Welcome to fucking Deadwood! I'm glad it's back.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 7 March 2005 06:33 (nineteen years ago) link

This basically just set the stage. I understand that Swearengen is gonna have to deal with kidney stones and they'll pull back the character... Milch suggested that he had to find some way to pull McShane back so that people would be willing to pay attention to the other characters and this is it.
God, I love this show.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 March 2005 06:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Whee! What a fight, tonight!

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 07:48 (nineteen years ago) link

This last episode? Trixie is quickly becoming my favorite character. And Starr has something to do now. Brilliant. Dorrity's gay! Hands down best hour of televison this year. Hands fucking down.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Monday, 14 March 2005 05:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Trixie, Jane, Alma, Joanie...the female characters in the show are maybe more interesting and better written than the men. Plus now Alice Krige! And Bullock's wife. It just keeps adding these layers of characters and interactions and entanglements.

Also, in case anyone hasn't read it yet, Frank Rich had interesting things to say about the show this week:

Its linguistic gait befits its chapter of American history, the story of a gold-rush mining camp in the Dakota Territory of the late 1870's. "Deadwood" is the back story of a joke like "The Aristocrats" and of everything else that is joyously vulgar in American culture and that our new Puritans want to stamp out. It's the ur-text of Vegas and hip-hop and pulp fiction. It captures with Boschian relish what freedom, by turns cruel and comic and exhilarating, looked and sounded like at full throttle in frontier America before anyone got around to building churches or a government.

... It reminds us of who we are and where we came from, and that even indecency is part of an American's birthright. It also, if inadvertently, illuminates the most insidious underpinnings of today's decency police by further reminding us that the same people who want to stamp out entertainment like "Deadwood" also want to rewrite American history (and, when they can, the news) according to their dictates of moral and political correctness. They won't tolerate an honest account of the real Deadwood in a classroom or museum any more than they will its fictionalized representation on HBO.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:05 (nineteen years ago) link

(and The New Yorker had a 'Deadwood' cartoon in this week's issue too -- I guess the show's having its media moment)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Well I guess he died a couple years later :P

DJI, Thursday, 25 July 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link

Isn’t that his son?

Mule, Thursday, 25 July 2019 18:59 (four years ago) link

William Randolph is George's son, yeah.

DJI, Thursday, 25 July 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link

I hastily searched Hearst and grabbed the wrong wiki, embarrassing!

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 25 July 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

no relation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABytIdNXKsg

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Finally saw the movie, it was OK, kind of like an extended final episode of the show, albeit with not enough story to tell and too many people on hand through which to tell it. But I liked it fine.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 October 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Satisying enough.

"Any man worth the name knows the value of being unreachable." - Al Swearengen refusing a mobile phone

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 December 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link

did we need flashback scenes?

As a middle-ager who watched the series ONCE, I would say yes as I pretty much forgot the entire Trixie-Jen-Hearst plotline.

Did they scale down Calamity Jane's makeup? Robin Weigert looked younger to me than she did during the series.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 December 2019 03:09 (four years ago) link

ten months pass...

“What’s your feeling about a prosthetics gig? I know you’ve said you hate it,” it was my agent on the other end of the call.

My mind flashed back to my days of misery spent as the demon, Menlo, on the tv series, ANGEL. I had eagerly jumped at the chance...

1

— W. Earl Brown (@WEarlBrown) October 30, 2020

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 13:01 (three years ago) link

Nice.

DJI, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link

aww

edited for dog profanity (sic), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link

The best <3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 18:59 (three years ago) link

While everybody is talking about Timothy Olyphant let it be known that he once asked me if I could play my best sad song ‘Olyphant’ for him

— Jason Isbell (@JasonIsbell) October 31, 2020

Tim said, “that sad song you wrote about me...”

Jason looked perplexed.

“...you know — ‘Olyphant’”

— W. Earl Brown (@WEarlBrown) October 31, 2020

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 4 November 2020 05:57 (three years ago) link


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