― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:43 (twenty years ago) link
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― jazz odysseus, Friday, 9 April 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago) link
French - Bob le Flambeur Band of Outsiders
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― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 9 April 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Saturday, 10 April 2004 06:34 (twenty years ago) link
I think the first noir was "Stranger on the Third Floor," 1940, RKO.
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 10 April 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago) link
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― jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Monday, 10 May 2004 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dave Amos, Monday, 10 May 2004 07:59 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― frankiemachine, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link
In any case, frankiemachine, I would have thought you would have mentioned The Man With The Golden Arm, although I guess that's not a noir per se.
― Redd Temple Player (Two Headed Dogg) (Ken L), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― dont stop go, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link
common '50s noir police descrip: "white American male"
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
Brick was a more accurate translation of just about every Raymond Chandler book I've read then any Film Noir I've seen, including say, The Big Sleep or Murder, My Sweet.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm such a dumbass for only now realizing it refers to the shadows in the film.
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― David Orton (scarlet), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link
How? Be specific. Give examples.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link
(though similarly, my favorite Hammett adaptation is Miller's Crossing)
Anyone seen The Girl in Lover's Lane? I watched it as an MST3K episode, but it seemed like a really successful small town noir.
― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― JTS (JTS), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh yeah, I saw that on TCM last year during the Mitchum festival.-- Sons Of The Redd Desert
Actually, I haven't seen that one, but it looks pretty good. I was talking about Angel Face, which is mentioned in the very first post of this thread.
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link
- House Of Bamboo (Robert Stack & Robert Ryan in post-WWII gangster Tokyo. Sam Fuller directs)- Scandal Sheet- Nightmare Alley (Tyrone Power as a carny mentalist)
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link
I found the dialogue in Brick, like Millers Crossing, totally stylized in a way similar to the books, they also shared the protaganist as punching bag cliche so common in the books. There was just something about the way the lead in Brick kept being knocked out, then seeing just a hint of light, then passing out again, then waking up somewhere else, then getting beat up, that to me represented the feeling I get from the Chandler books. Murder, My Sweat is one vintage noir that does this, of course, with it's expressionistic passing out sequence. The complicated plot that really doesn't matter so much, crime lords and their henchmen, the playing of sides against each other. All classic pulp fiction/film noir things.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link
"I’d hate to think of your having a smashed fender or something while you’re not, uh, fully covered."
It's still amazing that they could get away with some of this stuff considering the times.
Neo-noir can also be fab.
― salexander (salexander), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:10 (seventeen years ago) link
Is this the one about the athelete with really stinky perspiration?
I second the recs for Detour and Long Goodbye because they seem to not get as much respect as they deserve.
― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link
This is madness, surely? "The Thin Man" may be a Hammet adaptation, but it's still basically a screwball comedy where the main characters solve crimes!
Are these as good as that warner bros gangster box set that they resemble?
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 1 June 2006 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link
Not exactly what you're asking for, but it's in my bookmarks.
― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Thursday, 1 June 2006 23:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Friday, 2 June 2006 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
(Also Zohra Lampert.)
― dow, Monday, 1 January 2024 18:59 (three months ago) link
I have the urge to rewatch Douglas Sirk movies, and started with Lured (1947), the only one (easily) streaming. It’s described some places as a noir, but really really isn’t, by any measure. Lucille Ball is fantastic in it! It’s very well directed, naturally, though somewhat choppy…Anyway, the guy who wrote the screenplay, Leo Rosten – who sounds like a very interesting character (among many other things, he apparently coined that famous definition of “chutzpah”) – also provided the story (not screenplay) for a slightly earlier film with Ball – The Dark Corner – that one a true noir, it sounds really good, I’ll have to watch it soon.
― Wooly Bully (2005 Remaster) (morrisp), Saturday, 6 January 2024 07:22 (three months ago) link
…watching The Dark Corner now. Maybe I’m not in the right headspace, but it’s rough going… stilted, low-budget, dull.
― Wooly Bully (2005 Remaster) (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 05:02 (three months ago) link
most noirs low-budge tho, i thought dark corner was solid of its type but maybe lucy in a different setting doing a lot of the work"The film earned $1 million at the box office, less than the $1.2 million cost of production"not even that cheap by 1946 standards, 20th Century Fox B Movies do tend to look a bit anemic compared to the other big studios back in the day
― buzza, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 06:18 (three months ago) link
Yeah, maybe “cheap-looking” is a better descriptor…
― Wooly Bully (2005 Remaster) (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 06:30 (three months ago) link
Aw man, I’m sorry you didn’t like Dark Corner. I thought it was suitably shadowy and pulpy. Mark Stevens (who I don’t recall seeing in any other films) was good, Lucy is of course spunky, and William Bendix and Clifton Webb lend good support. I’ve watched far worse.
― Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable POST (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 03:29 (three months ago) link
Is there another corner of cinema that gets explored so thoroughly as noir does? I think of noir and westerns as relatively equal parts of the classic Hollywood era, but in terms of say boutique label box sets noir has westerns beat so hard it ain't even funny.
Is the fact that it's not a "real" genre and thus you can explore further afield part of it?
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Fedoras have retained cultural relevancy longer than Stetsons
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Smoking vs. chewing tobacco
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I wonder if another way of thinking about this is 'is there a competing aesthetic within american cinema of this period that holds a similar status as diagnosis of social and political neuroses?' I wonder if a tentative answer is screwball but that is more tightly bound to genre than noir is and relies on a kind of 'success' in a way noir doesn't. just a thought.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:32 (two months ago) link
Screwball and noir don't overlap really in terms of chronology, screwball p much done by the time noir comes around so they're diagnosing v different societies I think.
The western would once again lend itself to this kind of lens but I guess a lot of it, "psychological westerns" and such, register as noir to some extent.
Of course in the 50's you'd also have sci-fi, not really a fair comparison in terms of the talent involved but certainly another niche that has been deeply explored.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:43 (two months ago) link
Yeah, I think noir casts the biggest, um, shadow.
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:46 (two months ago) link
I Wouldn’t Be in Your Shoes, now on Criterion, is my kind of noir: pulpy Poverty Row murder mystery based on a Cornell Woolrich story, with a no-name cast (Don Castle and Elyse Knox) and where “Depressed and anxious, Tom impulsively throws his only pair of tap dancing shoes at howling cats outside his window” is a salient plot point.
― Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 15 February 2024 05:44 (two months ago) link