defend the indefensible: THE IVY LEAGUE

they don't already?

I think you are forgetting "other Ivy League undergraduates". DO NOT SLEEP ON THE INTERSCHOOL RIVALRIES.

Hail to thee old ivy league
Poison ivy league
The ra-ra boys are sitting round the table tonight
The ra-ra boys have lots of plans in view
They're gonna have panty raids
And make their own lemonade
They'll live it up just like the big boys do

Poison ivy league, boys in that ivy league
Give me an itch, those sons of the rich
That poison ivy league

The ra-ra boys will go to bed so early tonight
Before exams they need a lot of rest
They gotta make good for dad
They gotta make good so bad
They'll even pay someone to take that test

Poison ivy league, boys in that ivy league
How can they flunk, they're so full of bunk
That poison ivy league

The ra-ra boys are being groomed for business some day
For better things to college they were sent
And you can bet they'll be the head of the company
As long as dear old daddy's president

Poison ivy league, boys in that ivy league
So loaded with cash, they give me a rash
That poison ivy league

So let it be told
I won't touch them with a ten foot pole
That poison Ivy league

Hahahaha... er.. that's almost true.

Nobody hates Ivy League undergrads more than Ivy League grad students who applied to, but couldn't get intoafford, Ivy League schools as undergraduates.

I love how Tad thinks my wife and I should die. That's so adorable!

"Oh, do you play football?"
"No, I just think it's important."

Thank god for the ivy league.

--you there! Yes, you! Bomb Iraq again, and make it snappy.

--where's my drink?

As for SATs - exactly where did I say that they mattered. The issue was UT's status as an elite university (to be kept in with the Ivies) - and it's not. One measure is the average SAT score. Avg. Hah-vud score - like 1450-1500. Avg. UT score - 1200 or less. Doesn't necessarily mean anything (other than Hah-vud kids could afford test prep), but that's one of the indications.

How that becomes "dissing low SAT scores" (uh, 1200 is like 200 points above-average), Lord only knows.

Don't be the guy with the one gay friend who isn't going to Hell. Either it's bad or it isn't.

Okay...

Maybe Dartmouth is like that, except it's more country than club, or Princeton or something, I dunno, I only did one road trip my whole four years. But this painting with a broad brush thing, I dunno.

And what the fuck parties did YOU get to go to? Our parties were fueled by beer from kegs and music by Prince. I didn't see anyone doing any coke in four years (my roommate saw that once I think)...shit, I must have been the wrong kind of Ivy Leaguer, a.k.a. Not The Straw Man.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

One of the funniest things I heard recently was a HS friend who went to Penn bitterly complaining about her lack of progress in the face of the 'Carleton mafia'. I reckon the grass is always greener...

Kerry, people from all over the world come to study architecture at the Bartlett School in London which is headed by Peter Cook from Archigram. As to concerns about elitism and that, fuck it, because you just have to remember that they get to meet YOU and besides you should endeavour to go somewhere really international in student intake (this is especially worthwhile in an Arch. course). Or you could apply to do architecture at the Cooper Union which is similar but free, right?

No, it's: Nobody hates Ivy League undergrads more than students who applied to, but couldn't afford, Ivy League schools as undergraduates, but who went anyway and now have no job and massive student loans.

I couldn't believe how smug my classmates were about money at Yale. The financial aid office told me that my parents should sell their house to pay my tuition. So when I graduated I had loans to the bank, to the government, to relatives. Like a mortgage with no house.

The Estimated Cost of Attendance
Tuition and fees: $28,400
Room and Board: $8,600
Books and personal expenses: $2,620
Cost for one academic year: $39,620

The one time I made an argument for class-based affirmative action in a class, I got called a racist, so maybe I should shut up.

Also, if you're a well-connected person at a school like Yale, you are going to have the opportunity to ride the coattails of other well-connected people into ventures with a possible upside of well over six to seven figures.

I will freely admit that I don't really understand the world of 'connections' but I was figuring that:

i) the kids of wealthy celebrities already have a lot of connections by virtue of being the children of celebrities and

ii) the kinds of Yale connections that would lead to starting up or being invited to join seven-figure ventures would still require you to be, idk, pretty good at what you were studying at Yale.

But yeah, clearly not a world I get.

Although now, when I put i) and ii) together, I realize you probably mean that competent go-getters at Ivies may well want to associate themselves with children of the rich and famous because of their names.

I think there are probably very few kids who were not in on it, and I am not going to feel bad about these Richie Riches when this will likely have exactly zero effect on their future life prospects.

xp: ding ding ding

I think they ate a ton of canned chili

thank you for this

i used this story in a class today to talk about financial fraud, it was wild, students have all kinds of shit to say about it

I do think the reporting around this has done a good job of painting the parents as the monsters over the students, with the glaring and well-deserved exception of Loughlin's daughter

j., you can become an influencer on ig --
"shit my students say"

Also had a girl in our shop. She was saying she just finished a year at Oxford. I asked which uni she attended in the US. She was sort of shy saying:"Oh Brown." I replied:"Don't be shy! You should be proud of it." She said she was trembling when she read ab the scam. Dunno if it was bec her parents bought her way into Brown. Lol.

or because she didn't know whether they did!!!

things that cause me to tremble: 1) pondering how they crucified my lord. 2) pondering how they laid him in a tomb. 3) pondering how admittance into Brown University isn't validation of one's life.

Apparently this investigation was kicked off by a finance dude who was under investigation by the SEC for pumping/dumping stock - when caught he flipped on the Yale woman's soccer coach who was taking bribes.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-yale-dad-who-set-off-the-college-admissions-scandal-11552588402

Harvard had $41 billion before the market crash. It would cost them almost nothing to keep paying workers. It should be socialized. https://t.co/Eh020XBbmi

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) March 22, 2020