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X-post above, obv. Pinky, how do you feel about Fayed? Would you rather be where you are now, or a 2nd division club meandering along?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

I like what he has done for the club & I am chuffed to bits to see Chris Coleman where he is, but I am not very happy with Fayed & his 'yeah I cant be bothered anymore' attitude because fulham didnt turn into the top club he had hoped. I am pleased that I now have the pleasure of watching Fulham vs Chelsea matches. So yes I am grateful to him for where we are, but I loathe his lack of commitment.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

But surely you weren't ever under the impression he was in it for the love of the club? When he took over, I was working with a hardcore (female) Fulham fan who had stopped going to games after 25 years of constant attendance because she felt the club had lost its soul to money. I haven't seen her for years - I wonder how she feels now?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe I was though mark, but i didnt imagine that he'd just up sticks & leave. It was always obv he just picked a club & one of the things i think is great about them being in the premiership is that my dad can get to see his beloved fulham on the tv every now and again as he cant get down there that often.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

I can see your friends point, but you could say that about players. they will go where the money is. There are very few players that would remain loyal to their particular clubs if they got a better offer.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:39 (twenty years ago) link

maybe she did a Mellor

stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:39 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, you could say that about players, but Fayed is such a known rogue and criminal that it must have been blindly obvious what was going to happen if he got bored and/or lost money in the Fulham deal. Unfortunately, it looks like you're going to keep your premiership status but lose your ground. And we've seen what happens to a team in nimby-ridden expensive-real-estate SW London that loses its ground...

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:47 (twenty years ago) link

Well yes, call me naive if you like, but i am glad it has given fulham the opportunity it has.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:52 (twenty years ago) link

On the topic of fans of middling Premiership clubs really having nothing to moan about - well, yes, fair enough but the presence of a high-achieving local rival tends to skew things a bit (and I'm not saying this doesn't happen to the lower-division sides too).

In the case of Spurs, I suspect most of the 'pain' comes from having a slightly bumbling, mediocre team with a ever-receding glorious past in the shadow of a club very close to the top of the Englsh game. As an Evertonian, I'm afraid the joy/misery balance of a weekend's football is always a combination of *two* results (unless it's derby day).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:55 (twenty years ago) link

what league do afc wimbledon play in?

robin (robin), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:56 (twenty years ago) link

justice league

stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:56 (twenty years ago) link

The Seagrave Haulage Combined Counties League (level 8, feeds into the Rymans League).

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:58 (twenty years ago) link

Mike I'm not saying that every supporter of a club considered to be underachieving should be happy all the time, I just object to the whole "life time of torture" thing when used to refer to clubs who barely ever even go down.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

Micheal you're basically right in your analysis of Tottenham fans' gripes but there is a substansial group who have got this hang-up about the 'history' of A*s*n*l ; 'The Woolwich Nomads'.......
Google 'Topspurs' and check out 'Arsepaste' if you fancy a larf.
Thus they've got this - somewhat barmy - Palestinians vs Israelis complex to see the Goons doing well (well, brilliant) 'on our patch'.

Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 13:03 (twenty years ago) link

As a Spurs fan I'm fully aware of how annoying we can be, and likewise fans of clubs of similar stature (Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea..nah just kidding). The phone-ins are full of us moaning minnies eventhough the worst torment we have to go through is being at the wrong end of the table in March albeit safe in the knowledge that we'll get the two wins needed to achieve safety and subsequently state "ah well, this was a transistional season, let's look forward". It doesn't make losing on a Saturday afternoon any more bearable though.

Jonnie, Monday, 17 November 2003 13:06 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not saying that every supporter of a club considered to be underachieving should be happy all the time, I just object to the whole "life time of torture" thing when used to refer to clubs who barely ever even go down.

True, but there's the absolute failure of relegation (yes, yes, it's also relative - there's a league table after all) and then there's the relative failure of always being second best to the other lot.

I'm not for a moment saying that it's as bad finishing 13th in the top flight, trophyless and with a clutch of disgruntled, overpaid dilettantes while the filth hoover up European glory vs. losing league status and almost going to the wall financially. But, by Christ, it still fucking hurts. There is this sense that you made a choice aged four, seven, nine, whatever - and IT WAS WRONG. I think that's where the lifetime of agony line comes from. Of course, it's nothing compared to your club almost ceasing to exist and I'm not making a plea for sympathy here!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

the only Premiership club fans who are justified in their whingeing are Leeds (bwahahaha) and maybe Blackburn

stevem (blueski), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

Back off leeds steve!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

"the only Premiership club fans who are justified in their whingeing are Leeds (bwahahaha) and maybe Blackburn"

That's bollocks. We're all justified in whinging as much as we like, they're our teams after all.

Jonnie, Monday, 17 November 2003 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

Thing about Spurs is that it's just a miracle we never seem to go down.

Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

Is it Spurs that haven't finished in the top or bottom six of the Premiership since it started? I'm sure this is one of the pub trivia questions football fans end up asking themselves, but still...

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 19:13 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe I'm a cynical old cunt, but whenever anyone is interested in owning Foolham, I think 'nice bit of real estate'. Cheapest piece of decent London land TBH. It's bedevilled the club since Ernie Clay bought the freehold off the Church Commissioners.

The Fulham Trust had a massive problem in getting a lot of their fans to give a shit about the Cottage; for many, Fulham was a Premiershite club, and where it played less important. The ones who were there in the dark times had an intrinsic understanding on the importance of the Cottage to the identity of the club, but that didn't seem to be the priority for many of the newer fans.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:54 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

Newcastle United are the club at the centre of the 2005 film GOAL! which was just on BBC1. Did anyone else see it? I found it interesting in some ways.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Including

  • the romance of the journey North, on the train from London, and the lovely shots of the bridges over the the Tyne; when he actually arrived in Newcastle station I wished I could travel to such a place.
  • the NE coastline that we then see, where our hero Santiago stays with the coach who has brought him over
  • the moment when the coach mentions NUFC - 'that's a big club'!' - 'it's a *very* big club'
  • the manager is called Eric something, and initially I thought he was English - but his nationality is never specified, and in fact he seems modelled on Wenger more than anyone.
  • NUFC here are battling, down to the last kick of the film, for ... 4th place and a place in Europe. I like the realism of that! They don't bother having our hero actually win the league, just scrape the last CL spot.
  • in doing so, they edge out Liverpool on the last day! I'm surprised that Stevie G and Benitez agree to participate in this, but they do.
  • Newcastle presented as great hub of irresponsible nightlife - accurate reflection of the years of mayhem with Dyer, Jenas et al (and they both appear in the film!)?
  • moment when we see the first team - Shearer above all - with music drifting over the top, they're seen as demigods or rare wild animals ... I get it with Shearer, but I fear that Boumsong is somewhere in the background of this film as well.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I fear that Boumsong is somewhere in the back

a common fear

Francisco Javier Sánchez Brot (onimo), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link

"I like the realism of that" - hahaha

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link

well, Newcastle USED to be a team in for CL places. this film kind of worked as a reminder of that distant time (I guess when it was being scripted, cast etc they were on a roll by their standards).

the pinefox, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 17:32 (fifteen years ago) link

SPOILER: the "Ghost Of The Gallowgate" is unmasked as bitter reserve keeper Steve Harper, who had been attempting to drive down the value of the land so that the board would be forced to sell Shay Given to evil Norwegian side FC Baastaad in order to keep the club afloat.

"You'll be getting plenty of first-team opportunities where you're going."
"Yeah, yeah, prison..."
"No - Darlington!"
"NOOOO..."

C N'Zogbia: "LOL"

William Bloody Swygart, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link

That train journey between Durham and about Berwick *is* fantastic. I always manoeuvre myself to the east of the train for the best view of those bridges

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link

SPOILER: film ends with bomb-laden Olivier Bernard ascending The Angel Of The North, the entire assembled first-team squad incredulously looking on from beneath, and announcing "Look at me, Laurent, top of the world!" before Nikos Dabizas fells him with a well-aimed punt

claudestock carpentinieri (country matters), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link

PF may be interested in Goal! II, where hero boy is transferred to Real Madrid. There's also Goal! III, which is apparently based around the 2006 World Cup. Given hero boy is (I think) Mexican, don't anticipate too much from that.

William Bloody Swygart, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Hang on. Hero boy gets surprise transfer from Newcastle to Real Madrid... Goal! II = JONATHAN WOODGATE: THE MOVIE!

William Bloody Swygart, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Curious, this - I did hear that there were supposed to be other films but was not clear that they had actually been made. The BBC preview for the first film mentions Real and the World Cup which are not in the first film. Instead it takes a good long time talking about NEWCASTLE UNITED.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

it'd be lol if i didn't feel for hughton, regardless of residual ill-feeling for him being nominally in charge of set-pieces/defence under jol at spurs

Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 6 December 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Ant & Dec.

The referee was perfect (Chris), Monday, 6 December 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Absolute fucking nonsense.

rappa ternt sagna (jim in glasgow), Monday, 6 December 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link

if i didn't feel for hughton

oh i'm sure he'll find a work environment that isn't populated exclusively by psychopaths and idiots soon enough.

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Monday, 6 December 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Woke up, checked the premier league table, saw my beloved and almighty Sunderland AFC were still above Newcastle, grinned like a cheshire cat and went to put the kettle on. I hope this good mood sustains itself throughout the rest of the day, as it has for many days prior to this :D

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 20 January 2013 08:02 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...
six years pass...

Alan Pardew's 8-year contract at Newcastle expires today.
In that time:

- Donald Trump elected president
- 3 General Elections
- UK left the EU
- Mandela & Thatcher died
- Ebola, Zika & Coronavirus viruses
- Will and Kate had 3 kids
- 2 World Cups
- Pardew managed 3 clubs pic.twitter.com/BTswp8ac8h

— Peter Davidson (@Peter_Davidson1) June 30, 2020

the pinefox, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 09:28 (three years ago) link

- Gazza read Finnegans Wake

calzino, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 10:05 (three years ago) link

Even now there is literally nothing better on the internet than the Pardew dancing gif.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 10:10 (three years ago) link

Sadly that German teenager's Pardew / Herz an Herz tribute video got taken down for a copyright violation.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 11:00 (three years ago) link


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