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Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 October 2003 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

re Communion: i never saw the film, caught a clip on Film '90 and it creeped me out waaaay too much. i saw the Roswell film with Kyle Mclachlan tho and i suppose it wasn't that great but it did feature the (by then) dominant Grey types (lame as ever).

and nick i'm talking about the space above it's eyes. if it's brain is not in it's head then why is everything else relatively in the right place - why the need for two eyes etc. - it never struck me as very logical. it's the wry smile as well. the face is so blank and featureless, as if designed to not communicate emotion thru facial movements (the nose and mouth are usually absurdly small compared to the eyes). in short, they suck - and i'm glad it turns out they probably don't exist after all (except in your mind, man)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 23 October 2003 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

i like the idea of it as a mask tho - there is substance in that.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 23 October 2003 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

i have a lovely schwa T-shirt w.the words "save the moon" on it (v.tatty now sadly)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 23 October 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

I remember reading this scientific article about evolution (and I think it was properly scientific, I don't think it was Omni or anything...) where these scientists programmed in all the known stages of human evolution from the existing skull and fossil record, in order to project models of what various Missing Links would look like.

For a laugh, one of the scientists decided to run it *forwards* rather than backwards, and - the eyes and forehead expanding while the jaw and brow grew less pronounced - the result a couple of million years into the future looked just like the "traditional" space alien!

kate (kate), Friday, 24 October 2003 09:45 (twenty years ago) link

yeh it was suggested that humans will eventually evolve into that form - that's what sitting at a desk pottering around the internet each and every day will do to you

stevem (blueski), Friday, 24 October 2003 09:47 (twenty years ago) link

Our bodies will shrink and our heads will expand and we will fly around in time in flying saucers eating the internal organs of cows cause they're all extinct in our time!

kate (kate), Friday, 24 October 2003 09:49 (twenty years ago) link

I think that the fact that the "traditional" alien resembles a foetus is in some way significant- there is a theory that humans are neotenous apes (ie the baby when it is born retains featues seen in the foetal ape earlier in the term). I'm not sure if the neoteny theory has been totally discredited or not - certainly the C19th scientist who proposed it had about 18 different anatomical features in support of his theory (e.g. hair reduction, lack of a baculum in the male etc) plus the relative helplessness of the human newborn.

Perhaps future, more advanced being = even more neotenous.

But it is more likely that this is a psychological thing. I once read of a survey of ppl who claimed to be alien abductees where all those who had claimed to had left the spacecraft through a tunnel had natural childbirth and all those who spoke of doors were born by Casesarian section.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 24 October 2003 09:56 (twenty years ago) link

There's actually some credence to that story - human babies seem to be born "younger" or earlier in the term than other primates, simply cause their heads are so big that otherwise they would damage the mother. Yeah, plus the helpless thing.

The article I read did note the similarity between the "evolutionary future human" and a foetus.

kate (kate), Friday, 24 October 2003 10:04 (twenty years ago) link

So what does the evolutionary future human look like when it is a foetus? A sort of Rolf Harris-neotenous-stylophone question: can you see what it is yet?

Limiter Garner, Friday, 24 October 2003 10:27 (twenty years ago) link

According to the Stephen King beaut "Dreamcatcher" aliens have english accents.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 24 October 2003 10:28 (twenty years ago) link

NO, no, no. It's god and the devil that have English accents.

If you are in a film, and you meet someone with an English accent, be very afraid. This is the rule. Like, all Nazis speak perfect English with cartoon German accents.

kate (kate), Friday, 24 October 2003 10:30 (twenty years ago) link

further origins? (a drawing from 1919)
http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.brotherblue.org/libers/lam.htm

Donald Wolfowitz, Friday, 24 October 2003 11:05 (twenty years ago) link

Neoteny theory fully discredited now. Big in Victorian times, though, and largely to blame for Freud.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 24 October 2003 11:12 (twenty years ago) link

which is the neoteny theory which has been discredited? the humans-as-neotenous-apes specifically (status: i don't know) or the idea that difft species have arrived via developmental forking at foetal stage, the "junior" species gets "stuck" on some feature, and a new species emerges and proves successful (status: isn't the word "neoteny" just a term for a mechanism which no one - who isn-t actually a creationist - doubts exists)

also: how does either neoteny theory lead to most of freud? his deal was surely (right or wrong in any other way) the ousting of biology-as-destiny?

mark s (mark s), Friday, 24 October 2003 11:24 (twenty years ago) link

(grrrr note to self: must avoid pavlovian response to words like "neoteny" and "elric")

mark s (mark s), Friday, 24 October 2003 11:25 (twenty years ago) link

axolotl = neotenous salamaner, but no speciation has occurred.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 24 October 2003 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

Erm, I think I've got confused here. I thought victorian neoteny stuff was along the lines of the human foetus goes through stages in the womb that exactly mirror its evolutionary development. Freud's whole oral/anal/genital thing came from suggesting the modes of sexual behaviour developed in the same way. That is, the oral stage exists because our some of our distant ancestors reproduced via their mouths.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

I am quite clearly talking about something completely different. Damn my booze wooled brain.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

that's "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"!!

(bah i wish i had a schwa T-shirt w.THAT on it)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

yup.

Haeckel drew pictures of embryonic/foetal development at various stages to show how a mammal looks like a fish in the eraly stages of devlopment in the womb, then later like a reptile, just like the evolutionary stages. Except that it doesn't. He saw what he wanted to see.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

That's the bugger.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:40 (twenty years ago) link

haeckel and jekyll!! DO YOU SEE!!

mark s (mark s), Friday, 24 October 2003 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...
that's "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"!!

(bah i wish i had a schwa T-shirt w.THAT on it)

I miss the Schwa Corporation stuff...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:16 (seventeen years ago) link

haeckel and jekyll!

NO ONE DID SEE :(

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure why they're so gung ho on radio signals. Aliens communicate through direct mental contact. Sometimes physical. Is there any more reason to suspect they'll be sending radiowaves than there is to expect they'll speak English?

Scorpion Tea (Dick Butkus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 04:05 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

It's more likely than not that there have been millions of civilizations somewhere among the hundreds of billions of stars within a hundred thousand light years of Earth, i.e., in this galaxy alone. It isn't more likely than not that any of them have found their way to this insignificant little world, even though it was more than 60 years ago that the democrats nuked Japan, thereby sending an electromagnetic pulse into space announcing that we have some technologically brilliant scientists and some sociopaths here. If we humans had evidence of such shenanigans on another planet, we'd be hard at work trying to find a way to go out there and have a look, working around the fact that our present knowledge says that it can't be done in anyone's lifetime.

As for believing in alien visitation...there are millions of people right now in this country who believe that a grandiloquent, done-nothing mediocre senator whose only notable accomplishment has been emphasizing a few of the myriad reasons why Bill Clinton's wife shouldn't be president, and who listened to two decades of anti-America vitriol from his "spiritual guide" without lifting a finger in his country's defense, ought to be Commander in Chief. Such people shouldn't have any trouble believing in extraterrestrians or anything else. If Barack Hussein Obama, a gifted orator (a complete description), tells them the aliens are teen-aged space-Mormon "elders" sent here to preach the joys of polygamy, they'll believe it.

and what, Friday, 30 May 2008 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link

i am totally copping that line of argument sometime

deeznuts, Friday, 30 May 2008 13:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Isn't someone going to show a "real" living Ailien on video somewhere today? Denver or something?

Where did I read this? Don't remember

StanM, Friday, 30 May 2008 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Denver Man Makes Alien Claim

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Call me a doubter, but I'm a little skeptic.

StanM, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Call me a doubter, but I'm a little skeptic.

http://www.criticalgamers.com/archives/pictures/LittleGerman.7.19.06.jpg

Frogman Henry, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Alien will be mans dog in wearing a hat.

Jarlrmai, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:25 (fifteen years ago) link

(a complete description)

Jordan, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Total number of alien/ufo photographs = directly proportional to amount of Adobe Photoshop Torrent downloads

Ste, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link

pic leaked from press conference!

http://pieceoplastic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/darth-vader-dog-costume.jpg

jeremy waters, Friday, 30 May 2008 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link

It's a lot worse than I feared: it's not even a good fake.

http://origin.denverpost.com/news/ci_9427587

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2008/0530/20080530_012652_Alien.jpg

StanM, Friday, 30 May 2008 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link

that fake alien is evidently a total perv, as well

dell, Friday, 30 May 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Compare with this deliberate fake video:

http://www.rockymountainparanormal.com/ufo/alienwindowfinal.mp4

(from http://www.rockymountainparanormal.com/ufo/ )

StanM, Friday, 30 May 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Alien will be mans dog in wearing a hat.

-- Jarlrmai, Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25 PM (6 hours ago)

or chaki in a bra

DG, Friday, 30 May 2008 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

It was unclear whether the creature was taller than 8 feet and was crouching to avoid detection or whether it was standing on something. It also was difficult, because of the faintness of the object, to tell whether it was three dimensional.

Is this just sarcasm or is the journo really 'unclear'?

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 30 May 2008 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i27.tinypic.com/1115abo.jpg

(xpost)

StanM, Friday, 30 May 2008 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Just what we needed to see.

The image of either a super tall ET ducking down below a window ledge or a smaller one standing on a box to peep at some teenagers is pretty funny though.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 30 May 2008 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link

oh man i want to see this stan romanek video so bad

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 30 May 2008 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link

haha i love the way that alien in the window just rapidly zooms off at the end.

Ste, Friday, 30 May 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

i love terribly executed hoaxes

latebloomer, Saturday, 31 May 2008 02:11 (fifteen years ago) link

the start of a viral publicity campaign for the new x-files movie?

msp, Saturday, 31 May 2008 02:24 (fifteen years ago) link

stan tiger romanek

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Saturday, 31 May 2008 03:00 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Scary!

http://cbs3.com/topstories/finger.new.jersey.2.1118935.html

StanM, Friday, 7 August 2009 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link

This guy is a pretty obsessive debunker, iirc, almost to a fault, but this was a pretty easy demonstration of one sighting's possible cause:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r2oaQWmqkk

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2021 16:55 (two years ago) link

the most compelling are the GIMBAL and GOFAST videos and that's all just instrument footage

global tetrahedron, Friday, 4 June 2021 17:00 (two years ago) link

Btw this was a good overview article (covers Mick West, Leslie Kean, etc):
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/how-the-pentagon-started-taking-ufos-seriously

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 4 June 2021 17:27 (two years ago) link

yeah, I liked that article, but like a lot of reporting it felt pretty incomplete, because it has to be incomplete, because unidentified aerial phenomena etc.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 June 2021 18:21 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

the officially sanctioned 'disclosure' with elizondo et al is now alluding to remote viewing, skinwalkers, and all kinds of batshit stuff. it's been hugely entertaining to casually pay attention but i still don't understand the 'why'. concealing tech would have been one thing but now i think they're trying to drive people insane/divert from qanon? they're basically restarting the ufo cults

global tetrahedron, Friday, 12 November 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link

i mean, look at this shit. it has a harry reid quote on the cover!

https://www.amazon.com/Skinwalkers-Pentagon-Insiders-Account-Government/dp/B09HR54GQF

global tetrahedron, Friday, 12 November 2021 15:06 (two years ago) link

also i’ve bought some jacque vallee books. man is fascinating

global tetrahedron, Friday, 12 November 2021 15:06 (two years ago) link

Jacques Vallée is a seriously cool dude

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 12 November 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

I quite enjoy the pic in that first post Guardian article

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 20 June 2023 15:08 (ten months ago) link

five months pass...

it’s slightly lonely being a left wing UFO guy since it's the purview of so many art bell adjacent cranks, but can someone here please explain to me why the government tried to pass a bill saying they would seize technology of nonhuman origin from military contractors and then why did the contractors use their influence to scuttle the important parts of the bill if there is nothing there and it’s all a distraction or whatever. facts and logic me please. this has been deeply fascinating and weird to follow the last few years and the topic and it’s ‘lore’ has never gotten to the level of actual legislation before

https://i.imgur.com/yHaYFOC.png
https://i.imgur.com/mnDTjL5.png
https://i.imgur.com/6d67dbl.png
https://i.imgur.com/lkN0EGl.png

yes i want to believe etc etc but what is going on here

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 16:44 (four months ago) link

'mirage men' the book goes into the extensive history of intel services using UFO shit as a smokescreen for advanced projects but to my knowledge the civilian branches have never bitten to this extent

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 28 November 2023 16:45 (four months ago) link

government passing a bill is easy - if there's something there they want to know, if not then no harm. plus as mirage men shows, gullible & venal senators are happy to sign up to anything that sees money coming their way. don't know about the contractors - healthy and sensible scepticism? don't know the ins & outs of what you're referring to though.

organ doner (ledge), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 20:28 (four months ago) link

"non-human intelligence"?

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 28 November 2023 21:11 (four months ago) link


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