official i love music thread for AEROPLANE

lol are you butthurt that you popped into a thread to make an offhanded one-line comment about a song and then people zinged you right back?

fwiw i think his comment w/r/t tom cruise and chord changes was interesting, it's just that having to hang around with a semiotician and a music school nerd all day in yr head sounds like a recipe for suicide

lol are you butthurt that you popped into a thread to make an offhanded one-line comment about a song and then people zinged you right back?

― max, Monday, January 26, 2009 7:13 PM (3 seconds ago) Bookmark

No.

fwiw i think his comment w/r/t tom cruise and chord changes was interesting, it's just that having to hang around with a semiotician and a music school nerd all day in yr head sounds like a recipe for suicide

― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Monday, January 26, 2009 7:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Tell me about it, I'm in therapy.

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fuck therapy, take acid and listen to Aeroplane

wait is there a version of the god only knows remix people are hearing besides the youtube one?

i made an mp3 out of the god only knows edit from the podcast gbx found

god only knows (aeroplane rmx) - beach boys

― eman cipation s1ocklamation (max), Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:30 PM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont know if you want to listen to it tho, it exploits the listener's nostalgia, and gets the chords wrong

am i going to like that if i a) love aeroplane, b) really, really hate - like, nails-on-blackboard hate - the beach boys original?

i dunno it will be an interesting experimetn!!!!! u should liveblog it!

that is a u+k a & b if i ever read one

xp haha

it sounds like it would mix into Personal Jesus or some other schaffle? type track

no amount of incredulity is spinning that into being a good thing...

Yeah it was the "warm-up" thing that riled me a bit - you've said that three or four times now about Balearic/disco stuff and I don't get it. Sort of... judging fairly unabashed pop-disco by the standards of techno, or something? It brings out the same sort of reaction in me as when people turned up on minimal threads back in the day to go "why isn't this banging like Green Velvet or Pendulum?"

with mattdc here, ronan. aeroplane sound sufficiently warmed up to me.

xpost. Ah, the famous Dog Latin gambit. This minimal is not good because it's not as banging as Fat of the Land.

I'm not judging it by the standards of techno, I just think it sounds like something that was done already, I can't see what new things this brings to the table esp as a really big populist sound. It reminds me of electrohouse in 2004/2005, in places, but whatever's been added (not sure, pop?) and whatever's been taken away (house/techno/trance/nubeat) it's just not my own thing, and I really have tried.

I mean Aeroplane actually kind of remind me of Mylo more than anyone, in that the stuff is not particularly well produced but is full of pop hooks. I'm not anti-pop either, just this stuff makes me mainly feel disappointed with where electroclash/electrohouse went.

I also feel italo has been way overmined and I'm bored of it by now. Maybe others feel this way about house but so be it.

Plus I still think, and I've said this before, that there are disco clubs in London where you go there and the revival of the same ultra poppy sounds has been going on so long it feels like what a bad bar must have been like back in the day.

but I am still mystified as to how popular Aeroplane are and hence my kvetching above...like WHY NOW? is populist dance music really just as lacking in new movements as the closest underground variations?

Some of it reminds me of the Ratface Dreamangel "Fired Down" stuff... that is, early 90s dance 45s played at 33 rpm.

...in that the stuff is not particularly well produced...

lol

i had stayed off this thread as 1) i didn't want to rain on the parade and 2) their manager is a very good friend of mine so i feel i should be supportive, but ronan just nailed exactly how i feel about them in his mylo referencing post. i had started to think i was the only one as everyone i know seems to be aeroplane mad at the moment. i love their grace jones remix but most of the rest has this horrible digital sheen that hurts my ears. their production actually makes me feel kind of nauseous.

have you heard the aeroplane/caramellas 12"

i'm not trying to say everything they do is godly, and i think those kind of statements are easy to tear down, but the fact is they are one of the most exciting nu balearica acts out there... and their production while simple is beautifully meticulous. for a while i was afraid they were becoming more and more formulaic but the sebastien tellier and grace jones remixes have upset the mold they were constructing for themselves with a few of their remixes just before that

have you heard the aeroplane/caramellas 12"

i have or have heard everything they have done except for the tellier remix.

i hope i die b4 i get old

me 2

you think?

im just kidding. i sort of hate the "hasnt this all been done before" argument tho.

i have a brooding fear that all this nu disco and nu balearica which has gotten me into dance music will fade away in the next 2 years and then ill be one of the guys saying it was so much better back when...

it was never better back when...

just different.

the future has yet to disappoint.

I wouldn't normally trot out that argument, and obv there's a diff since I liked the "before" stuff. But that said in this case what Aeroplane reminds me of does feel very recent. Plus this does feel v similar to me to the 2004/2005 stuff. This wouldn't surprise or bother me in the slightest except these guys are huge.

I guess also as I said, the lifecycle of electrohouse/electroclash/indiedance since 2004/2005 is pretty grim to me, once there was no trace of house/techno left it all became hugely popular.

i like everything i've heard by them and i'm definitely a casual dance fan, so i don't really care what originality they're bringing to the table or where they stand in the narrative of dance music (i still don't really know what balearic is, you guys).

but to my ears they have a really good sense for hooks and for structure, and they're a lot warmer and more live-sounding than most of the dance music i happen on.

wouldn't surprise or bother me in the slightest except these guys are huge

maybe there's a US/Europe split on this thread then because I feel like they're barely known over here and maybe that changes the perception. I mean yeah if they played New York there'd be some buzz but not OMG HYPE

xp

I dunno, it feels to me like this is exactly the right time for something like Aeroplane to appear, because it's been a really lean few years for maximalist melodic dance music. I've been saying for a while that it's good to have something again that feels big without being lairy, maybe that quality was what was lost around 2005 when electrohouse faded and noisy Erolclash took over (or minimal, if you're looking the other way, but I'm trying to keep minimal out of this debate).

The Tellier remix was the first one when I thought Aeroplane were drifting too close to electrohouse - if anything I want dancefloor-friendly new Balearic to resemble 2002-era Take Me With You house. Aeroplane's best stuff does that, they have a real feel for a hook - speaking as someone who prefers the Das Pop/Cobra Dukes/Caramellas end of their sound to the Grace Jones/Tellier end.

(xpost - is the hype really happening anywhere outside ILM?)

ha, i was gunna say the same thing, cuz they are by no means HUGE in the US. i don't even think they've done a single set here

(I think a parallel shift might be happening with funky, steps back to pop after a few years of moody or aggro post-garage sounds).

is this aeroplane backlash about aeroplane specifically, or nu-balearica/cosmic disco whatnot generally? b/c it doesn't make sense to me if it's the former. i don't feel aeroplane's aesthetic is noticeably different to any other nu-balearic act, or even lindstrom in non-conceptual mode, it's just that they're slightly poppier and have more regular output. their position vis-a-vis that scene is a bit like jacques lu cont vis-a-vis electrohouse.

oh what's the point :)

Haha I was about to say I want to try and avoid getting into rigid aesthetic lines because it's going to be a bit like looking into a mirror and saying 'Pipecock' three times.

is the hype really happening anywhere outside ILM?

yes, definitely. it's building, building, building. they will be huge by the summer. i have the demos for the album and while it isn't my thing it is easy to hear that it will sell vast amounts.

or at least be a hot torrent!

it will prompt unprecedented facebook status updates

i will live tweet it

YSI

they could do with having more aeroplane sounds on their records, to be honest. or vacuum cleansers that sound like jets.

it works really well outside of the club setting, which is why i never expect to hear it in a club in glasgow unless it's an aeroplane gig. though if someone wants to point me in that direction...

also, i think the beach boys mix is perfectly matched up to the corny nostalgia of the original.

xpost. I reckon there's a good chance that you would be able to hear this in a club in Glasgow, though I couldn't name any names.

i like everything i've heard by them and i'm definitely a casual dance fan, so i don't really care what originality they're bringing to the table or where they stand in the narrative of dance music (i still don't really know what balearic is, you guys).

but to my ears they have a really good sense for hooks and for structure, and they're a lot warmer and more live-sounding than most of the dance music i happen on.

― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Monday, January 26, 2009 5:45 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

generally speaking i wouldnt quote jordan here bcuz on dance music hes obv coming at it from this kinda outsider-y "these drums dont sound live enough" re: classic house jazz/rockism which i like to rib him about, but the important part i bolded above is where i think hes totally right -- these guys understand structures & how to build & release which was something that mylo was always terrible at imo -- like he had a great idea/concept but had no clue how to execute or something

Deej does that apply to "Drop The Pressure" even?

I think Aeroplane have less of a connection to house music than Mylo and pretty much no connection at all to techno. Even at their most up there's barely a decent kick drum in sight. I'm sort of expecting the album to occupy a space somewhere between Lindstrom, Air and some early 00s shiny disco pop I can't quite put my finger on.