the totally insane true story behind the 1970s film and book Sybil

wow, just started reading FF7 house thing, whoa

still i gotta say -- it's small-scale compared to sybil, llc!!

i like to read this batshit beatles theory but i am afraid of seeing pictures of molars, anyone's, so i will take y'all's word for it

― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:42 AM (1 week ago

i read many, many pages of that batshit beatles theory, and there was no mention of teeth that i noticed other than on the page dow linked above. his link doesn't work anymore anyway. here's the link to the forum's main page if you want to try again: http://fabfourdozen.proboards.com/?sid=c25c2d2d6d3e4b97863cb833dc7997b5.

thank you! loose beatle teeth: dnw

TAGS: BEATLES, PARASITIC TWIN, CYST, TEETH, HAIR, FETUS IN FETU

ugh sorry i just grossed myself out

i loled

xxxp there may have been some dental references in the "fake jimmy carter" section, so beware.

THIS BEATLES SITE IS AMAZING

ALSO I MAY BE A DEMI SEXUAL... PARTLY

i think everyone is?

Yeah, I think it is just the special snowflake aspect of it that makes them weird.

Ever wonder what cosmic thread connects Rasputin, Yoko Ono, Avril Lavigne, and (I think) Benjamin Orr?
The reptilian stare http://stargods.org/ReptilianStare.htm

also lol at the arrow

http://stargods.org/Stare/StareSpooky.jpg

Since I am making my way through Satan's Silence, I am relishing every (to use Debbie Nathan's word) PHANTASMAGORIC detail of the McMartin preschool saga and thought perhaps someone else might be hungry for the blood of the young.
So much ridiculousness! Poor Ray.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

Poor everyone, really.

From the "legacy" section of the wiki

The trial lasted seven years and cost $15 million,[35] the longest and most expensive criminal case in the history of the United States legal system, and ultimately resulted in no convictions.[3][1][22] The McMartin preschool was closed and the building was dismantled and several of the accused have died. In 2005 one of the children (now an adult) retracted the allegations of abuse.[17][36]

Never did anyone do anything to me, and I never saw them doing anything. I said a lot of things that didn't happen. I lied. ... Anytime I would give them an answer that they didn't like, they would ask again and encourage me to give them the answer they were looking for. ... I felt uncomfortable and a little ashamed that I was being dishonest. But at the same time, being the type of person I was, whatever my parents wanted me to do, I would do.[17]

In The Devil in The Nursery, Margaret Talbot for The New York Times summarized the case:

When you once believed something that now strikes you as absurd, even unhinged, it can be almost impossible to summon that feeling of credulity again. Maybe that is why it is easier for most of us to forget, rather than to try and explain, the Satanic-abuse scare that gripped this country in the early 80's — the myth that Devil-worshipers had set up shop in our day-care centers, where their clever adepts were raping and sodomizing children, practicing ritual sacrifice, shedding their clothes, drinking blood and eating feces, all unnoticed by parents, neighbors and the authorities.[3]

Mary A. Fischer in an article in Los Angeles magazine said the case was "simply invented," and transmogrified into a national cause celebre by the misplaced zeal of six people: Judy Johnson, mentally ill mother who died of alcoholism; Jane Hoag, the detective who investigated the complaints; Kee MacFarlane, the social worker who interviewed the children; Robert Philibosian, the district attorney who was in a losing battle for re-election; Wayne Satz, the television reporter who first reported the case, and Lael Rubin, the prosecutor.[1]

The trial lasted seven years and cost $15 million,[35] the longest and most expensive criminal case in the history of the United States legal system
true? if so, wow.

this isn't really related but i want to read all three of these books in this order:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_Vision
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Journalist_and_the_Murderer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wilderness_of_Error:_The_Trials_of_Jeffrey_MacDonald

I've read Fatal Vision but not the other two. And of course it was a TV movie starring Gary Cole, back when Serious Actor was Serious.

hey yeah I just read something the other week where they're looking at reopening that MacDonald case

Yep. McGinnis will testify. and Erroll Morris will be there; he's written a book about it too--this article is a good overview of the whole messy thing:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/books/errol-morris-takes-on-macdonald-murder-case.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I lied. ... Anytime I would give them an answer that they didn't like, they would ask again and encourage me to give them the answer they were looking for.

They actually showed a clip of an interview in which this happened on the news back when the case was unfolding. I was incredulous that anyone would trust these kids' testimony with stuff like that going on and documented, but still the case progressed. I've never seen that (or any similar) clip again - I wonder if the prosecuters put a tight lid on those tapes afterwards. The hours of footage they got from these interviews would make for a great psychological study, and a "How not to..." example for future cases.

Also remember one of the kids at the time claiming he was "turned into a mouse." Can't help but think of the Monty Python bit about the newt, "I got better!"

I will probably read that Errol Morris book, but his statement in that NYT link that there's "no evidence" that MacDonald committed those murders flies in the face of nearly everything I've read about the case. It's always been my understanding that the blood, hair and wound evidence alone was overwhelming in implicating MacDonald to the exclusion of nearly anyone else in the universe.

"It was those damn hippies, I tells ya!"

His story is so thoroughly unbelievable. Even if he did not do it, his explanation of how it happened has never made any sense.

A procession chanting "Acid is groovy, kill the pigs" always did seem a tad far-fetched--although, see what I wrote upthread about the Manson experience for all us media (and other things) consumers back then, as re paranoia-inducing influence of far-fetched fact. However, I think McGinniss was assailed for betraying a confidence by printing something MacDonald supposedly slipped him: a note-to-self, written before the homicides, re speed habit getting out of hand (he was taking it while working long hospital shifts). The implication being that he killed while speed-addled (for instance, coming down from speed can indeed involve rage). This evidence may be one of the things Morris claims McG. made up.

Saw an interview recently where he claimed McGinniss made stuff up--and that he, Morris, was an admirer of McGinniss-denouncer Janet Malcolm (who def made shit up, slandering a guy she was writing about, and then later claimed all journalists do it)He dials it back in this Times piece, but h'mmm.

A procession chanting "Acid is groovy, kill the pigs"
A procession chanting "Acid is groovy, kill the pigs"
A procession chanting "Acid is groovy, kill the pigs"
A procession chanting "Acid is groovy, kill the pigs"
A procession chanting "Acid is groovy, kill the pigs"

Do any of the books about the Satanic abuse scare make a connection between that and the actual abuse by priests that was happening at the time?

no, that would be too easy. also, satanic ritual abuse was mostly a protestant issue iirc.

Just started Sybil Exposed today!

yaaaaaaaay

i am about halfway through Satan's Silence now
loled really loudly at the gym tonight while i was reading

LL: LOL!
Another Gym-goer: What's so funny?
LL: Satan's Silence!
AG-g: ...

i loled at the euphemism for vagina "naugus hole", the fact that one of the men accused of Satanic ritual abuse (Wayne Forsythe) had the words "FUCK THIS" tattooed on his penis and the name Wanda Bunch, who one of the accusers.

who WAS one of the accusers
forgive my syntax
shit was cray

Do any of the books about the Satanic abuse scare make a connection between that and the actual abuse by priests that was happening at the time?

not so far, but i'm not done yet

my guess is that there has yet to be a book with this particular focus
seriously wishing there were a smart filmmaker out there who would tackle the Judy Johnson story -- that lady started a huuuuuuuge shitstorm and died in a pool of her own vomit. she's like the Jim Morrison of sex abuse scandals.

well, Jim Morrison probably would have been the Jim Morrison of sex abuse scandals had he lived

No joke about the "fuck this" penis tattoo? I'm disappointed.

did it literally say:

FUCK THIS
Wanda Bunch!!!

minus the exclamation points, which I feel are essential to sketching out the level of emotion necessary to have a penis tattoo of such a thing

no it just said FUCK THIS on his penis
(but he wasn't a molester! that's the best part)

tbf I doubt most molesters have weirdo paraphernalia and tattoos and accessories, that is more of an extremely-rare thing or something in movies

now, someone randomly having a dick tattoo, that is totally real life

no, that would be too easy. also, satanic ritual abuse was mostly a protestant issue iirc.

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:08 AM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The author of and the subject of "Michelle Remembers" were both Catholic, actually.

Also, I clearly remember a lot of my parents' Catholic friends and relatives buying into the Satanic ritual abuse stuff.

Well, truly an issue that crossed protestant/catholic lines

Maybe this is what the Reagan era created to make a cross-denominational religious furor that could supplement the religious right to cement a voting block? /conspiracy

tbf I doubt most molesters have weirdo paraphernalia and tattoos and accessories, that is more of an extremely-rare thing or something in movies

now, someone randomly having a dick tattoo, that is totally real life

― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:07 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was on grand jury duty for a whole year in 2003, and one of the most fucked-up cases cases we had to review was of a child molester who enticed small children by promising to show them "Tweety Bird", which was an actual tattoo of Tweety Bird on his dick.

Never watched Looney Tunes the same way after that.

;_;