the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

update fox news got hacked

Pretty sure she hacked foxnews.com and posted a manifesto from the liberal agenda without anyone knowing about it.

http://www.foxnews.com/archive/author/sally-kohn/index.html

foxnews.com engineers frantically pulling wires and tapping their shift keys rapidly, hoping it will soon disappear.

We were promised jet packs and a new demographically-necessitated political paradigm

fox noodz twitter hacked

Jake Tapper ‏@jaketapper
So: Ryan referred to a commission he was on as "they/them." And described "their" "urgent report" without mentioning he voted against it.

lmao

NPR mentioned that too, but y'know, buncha Greenpeace members listening

I noticed that the last election was probably the last we'd see for a while with a military vet as a candidate. Are there many Gulf War vets in politics? I know a few Dems are, right, like Tammy Duckworth? Not that her service has earned her any respect from her asshat opponent.

This is like thinking that it's the last year rank 'n file Dems will make like mynah birds going "BRAAAAK!! The Supreme Court! BRAAAK!" as a shit-sandwich antidote, as if Dem senators didn't have to confirm assholes like Thomas and Scalia.

no it's not

Of course it'll stay up, the same way FOX will bend over backwards to keep Shep Smith.

the idea is based on the demographic make-up of the country, not optimism about a party's message xpost

Yeah, when you look at that archive of her stuff, it's clear she's been doing this for a while. (xpost)

not a perfect correlation true, I just mean the lives of these parties will depend on these same pitches, and then the Apocalypse.

xp

Those Sally Kohn headlines are great: "Obama's right, Americans can't succeed without government," "It's Time to Raise Taxes," etc. You'd swear she's not really real, and that someone at Fox is having a great time.

I just mean the lives of these parties will depend on these same pitches, and then the Apocalypse. --Paul Ryan

which has nothing to do with what i wrote, but anyway

does anyone on this thread have or know of an antidote for a shit sandwich?

it kinda did, but maybe I'm just a muddled racist. xp

Suicide, I'd have to assume xp

the amen chorus of one's Dem FB friends

I haven't tried Pickapeppa on a shit sandwich, but it makes pretty much everything taste better, so.

Obama/Pickapeppa '12

it kinda did, but maybe I'm just a muddled racist. xp

i do wonder why you can't acknowledge that, while both parties are run by industry-coddling war criminals feeding us bullshit, the winner of the election will affect the lives of people who aren't old white men like you. that one is pretty fucking lucky if you've only got the apocalypse to worry about. but your determination to brush aside those differences in agenda might just be solipsistic misanthropy, which only looks like racism when racism is what you're declaring irrelevant.

Obama/Pickapeppa '12

^^ muddled racist.

A day late so maybe this was already posted, but...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/gypsyfrocksbedlam/Christie_GOP.jpg

da croupier, I do acknowledge the winner of the election will affect the lives of people... to a greatly exaggerated degree.

I might be willing to view the racist bile heaped on Obama as the prism though which to look at American racism if I thought Obama intended, on balance, to improve the lives of Americans. I don't.

that makes no sense, but ok

I think Pierce at Esquire is competing with Taibbi:

think it was when he went to tears, one dab at each eye, while talking about his mother, that it became extraordinarily clear to me that there's a lot of old Dick Nixon in young Paul Ryan, the zombie-eyed granny-starver from Janesville, Wisconsin

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-convention-speech-12188956

nah.... taibbi is still way over the top -- both are amazing tho. pierce is so great on politics.

I might be willing to view the racist bile heaped on Obama as the prism though which to look at American racism if I thought Obama intended, on balance, to improve the lives of Americans. I don't.

this manages to both a) brush aside racism towards obama beccause you don't believe obama intends to improve lives and b) pretend the only racism going on in an election riddled with voter id laws and lies about welfare is directed towards obama.

though i guess if you're self-involved enough to think it doesn't make a difference which party wins, you're probably self-involved enough not to care about which voters are being disenfranchised and which party is doing the disenfranchising.

pretend the only racism going on in an election riddled with voter id laws and lies about welfare is directed towards obama.

never said that.

Dems seem "self-involved enough" not to factor in the presidential racism of incinerating brown kids at funerals then joking about it to the Jonas Brothers, but ain't that America, you and me?

there's such an irony in you clinging to the fact that every president is a war criminal to explain why you don't care about crimes against americans

the way i see it, the only reason to vote at the national level is because of social issues. the two parties claiming differences on foreign policy is pretty laughable at this point. and despite all the talk of apocalypse from both sides, imho there's not much light between them on entitlements and taxes, either (dems will probably 'manage the decay' a little better. maybe).

but reproductive rights and equality for taxpaying American citizens who happen to be gay are pretty important to me so

croup you can sorta see how your read here might come across a little "under no circumstances must one criticize the president, because he can help people," right?

i could if i've ever suggested one can't criticize the preisdent, but all i've mocked is the claim that it doesn't matter who wins.

I do care about crimes against americans, incl the ones Obama has committed.

pierce is so great on politics.

totally. I discovered him a couple weeks ago

There IS a lesser-evil argument to voting for the prez, Greenwald worked one up in the spring that's about 900 words long. It doesn't get past my gag reflex.

just saying, you're one lucky duck if you can back away from an election because you find everyone distasteful, safe in the knowledge that your time on the couch won't be affected either way.

could there be a more privileged perspective on politics than "well, they both gross me out" and leaving it at that.

the way i see it, the only reason to vote at the national level is because of social issues. the two parties claiming differences on foreign policy is pretty laughable at this point. and despite all the talk of apocalypse from both sides, imho there's not much light between them on entitlements and taxes, either (dems will probably 'manage the decay' a little better. maybe).

for the first time since 2000 I'm leaning towards voting for prez. I long ago assumed the Dems would consolidate Bush's executive power grab, so it's come down to which person is least likely to disregard our long term economic health. I'm leaning towards thinking "Better Obama do nothing for the next four years than Romney policies affect the reproductive health of women. But I don't know yet.

(the White House's reluctance to make inroads in the federal judiciary is another problem that makes me so fucking angry)

it's more privileged than _____ing both conventions, true.

your BS is not new, grow some morals. maybe religion wd help. xp

p. sure Morbius is economically in the same class most adversely affected by Republican policies? idk man I'm voting for the Democrat like everybody else but wholesale dismissal of even the possibility of a principled stance (or junking the principles completely on the grounds that people will be affected, therefore the principle is worthless & bankrupt I guess?) seems & will always seem like aggro tactical maneuvering whose main purpose is to get people to stfu about how ~the two parties, on issues that also affect real people's lives but these people sometimes live abroad, have the same substantial //effect// on stuff that ///also matters///~

"He bombs other countries just like his opposition."
"Yes, but he will help people here more than the other guy."

^^^ this is true - it doesn't invalidate the claim that to the people who lived in the houses that got bombed, they're the same candidate

your BS is not new, grow some morals. maybe religion wd help. xp

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:25 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark

your BS is so ancient there's a tree growing out of it, ty for saving the environment

"well, they both gross me out"

2016: zombie Stalin vs zombie Mao

libs vote for whoever has the "D"

if you don't think i've got a moral argument for why one should take part in suggesting a liberal mandate in the voting booth, you don't realize that the reason this pov pisses me off is because i've indulged in it and i'm not proud of that.

xpost if morbz house was bombed i'm sorry i thought he was just another american who thought both were gross and neither would stop an environmental or economic apocalypse from taking away his couch

to the ppl living in bombed houses, the principled stand to not vote for either candidate is of exact value to the non-principled stand to vote for the lesser of two evils.