Your pal,http://members.aol.com/dubplatestyle/mase.jpgMa$e.
― Ma$e (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/0,7495,804547,00.html
― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
Gotcha. Sorry.
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
Nah, I think they're just picking at their own scabs, and by doing so, they make themselves look even uglier.
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 19:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
Fresh? How is "Well guess what, nerds? Fuck you. Fuck fucking you. We are going to tape your buns together so tight that we’ll get muscles doing it" fresh? It's tired as all hell. Who here didn't spend the first fifteen-or-so years of their lives being subjected to moronic 'quips' like that?
OK, so let's imagine there are two ways to interpret this article. The first: "As one of the cool people who used to savagely beat and torture the socially awkward members of the society I lived in, I am appalled at the foothold that they have gained in mainstream pop culture. Let us return to the days when we would savagely beat and torture the weak and disadvantaged."
If this is the author's sincere intention, then my objection to this one ought to be obvious.
The second: "Now that nerd culture is dominating pop culture, I am appalled at the fact that bullies have become the new underdogs. This article will satirize the modern cliche of the pissed-off nerd, which is oh-so-tired."
This might actually be funny and interesting if it worked, but there's one problem. Bullies will never be the underdogs, because when bullies grow up, they beat their wives, their kids, homosexuals, black people, and anyone else who get on their nerves. When stylish people appropriate nerd style, it's funny because the perpetual losers appear to be winning. It's really hard to imagine or even get a laugh out of the idea of bullies as losers, because they're not the ones who get their assholes taped shut or get black eyes every time their spouses get drunk. Maybe you can enjoy the writing regardless, but I have trouble.
Without that juxtaposition, this article (and most of the magazine, for that matter) is just a big whiny rant by a barely-literate thug. I'd be really interested to read why you enjoy it, Momus.
― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― ch. (synkro), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
I actually found thart article mildly funny in a sort of Mennipean satirical way indirectly dealing with the internet bust.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― and they call him "Momase" (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― ch. (synkro), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
well, all I can say is if you're looking for moral instruction and rectitude in a "hipster bible" then I think you're already lost. It's a magazine that tells you what brand of sneakers are cool to wear. Only Momus takes it seriously.
and the bullying thing ...If this is the author's sincere intention, then my objection to this one ought to be obvious...come on! lighten UP on the faux outrage
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm not looking for moral instruction or rectitude ANYWHERE! I just don't like seeing a major magazine throwing around the word "faggot."
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
Whereas I find a lot of cheap-playground-diss music writing ignorant and ill-informed and I think it can do more harm than good considering we're living in a culture that discourages intellectualism and serious thought, and encourages hateful little soundbites.
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
geeta: is anyone saying they dislike vice becauze they're (ilxers) against smash-yr-idols articles? or is it because what they wrote about the fall is as close as you can get to the bad standup parody of standing around and saying, "dude, like, what is up with *that*?" (almost literally! read it again)?
― ch. (synkro), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
"Nerd culture is in ascendency and it's pretty cool.""The Powerpuff Girls movie is hilarious!""Bullies are desperately pathetic and stupid no matter how they cast themselves.""There is no point to this article beyond venting for comedic effect." (This is the reading I came away with, for what it's worth.)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
I agree on that count. :-)
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
(thx jess)
― ch. (synkro), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
Apples vs. Oranges: FITE!
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
I can criticize this editorial choice, though, can't I?
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
I don't think Vice is always funny, and as I did say upthread, I don't think they try hard enough. I think quite a few of their jokes do fall flat; if I was their editor I would probably recommend to them to lay off the coke and head for the beer.
― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 21:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― ch. (synkro), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
I don't read it regularly or anything, BTW.
PS I've always found The Onion to be total shit.
― sundar subramanian, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
The only tone I detect running through all of them is this phony transgression thing, where this big value is placed upon anything that stirs people up or gets them defensive or assaults their sensibilities -- apparently for the sole purpose of the text sort of lording it over you afterward and trying to make you feel like an uptight pussy for disapproving. I really don't like that whole thing, in that the underlying message is "You care about something? That's so fucking lame."
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
Weird thing is that I've always sensed that they do care, though in a specifically delineated way. Fashion? Definitely. Music? More than I think is being given credit for (the music review section at the back often has some sharp, scabrous and celebratory entries). Perhaps they're like the Onion in trying to have their cake and eat it too, except that their own version of the AV Club isn't specifically set apart from the main text.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― sundar, who sometimes reads my housemate's Maxim when no one is looking, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
The Onion has been really lacking these days, sadly.
― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
There was an article about Colombian art students that was sort of interesting, but then they had to go and fuck it up and spell the nationality "Columbian" in the title. Talk about not caring.
― Jody Beth Rosen, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:18 (twenty-one years ago) link