close, but not quite
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Friday, 17 August 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
it's a pen?
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 August 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
only if you're starring in an old Charlie Chan movie.
― pandemic, Friday, 17 August 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
you meant biro surely pp. (p)rick say "in biro!" on that show iirc. nfi what bilo is aside from an aus supermarket chain.
― Pureed Moods (Trayce), Friday, 17 August 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe. You'll have to forgive me, British is like a second language.
― pplains, Saturday, 18 August 2012 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
if only there were subtitles you could consult
― ʘ (sic), Saturday, 18 August 2012 00:46 (eleven years ago) link
So this Saving The Pearls piece of crap from upthread continues to have fallout.
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Monday, 20 August 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
oof
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Monday, 20 August 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
damn. the whole thing just blows my mind. "racism is just as bad when the coals do it. don't you see?!?"
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
if you use the term "reverse racism" you need re-education
― goole, Monday, 20 August 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
is "re-education" code for "punching"
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Monday, 20 August 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
I was hoping it was a code for "DJP goes to your house to explain why you are wrong"
― your native bacon (mh), Monday, 20 August 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
which, in turn, is code for "punching"
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Monday, 20 August 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
you do what you gotta do, man
― your native bacon (mh), Monday, 20 August 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
the "coals" vs. "pearls" business is such a dead giveaway.
"uh yeah, despite the fact that the society in question hates white people, they use a word suggesting value and beauty to describe them. why? well just, just ... just because, okay? coincidentally, that's also why they use a word for something dirty and common to describe black people. funny, huh?"
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
Wasn't her reasoning that in her fictional society, pearls were useless whereas coal was useful, so 'coal' was a good thing? Yeaaaaaaaah. Not a stretch at all.
― emil.y, Monday, 20 August 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
the author couldn't metaphor herself out of a bulletproof mercedes with a grocery bag in it
― your native bacon (mh), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― Shameful Dead Half Choogle (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
Wasn't her reasoning that in her fictional society, pearls were useless whereas coal was useful, so 'coal' was a good thing?
you mean just like in our present society?
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
like the future world is so lousy with pearls that they become a term of derision
― contenderizer, Monday, 20 August 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
"I am sick and tired of these motherfuckin' pearls in this motherfuckin' dystopia!"
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
a pearl is something that forms from being irritated iirc
― your native bacon (mh), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
barbara bush will always be the first pearl
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 August 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://content6.flixster.com/rtactor/40/34/40344_pro.jpg
http://www.reddstewart.com/minnie_pearl.jpg
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Monday, 20 August 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
this book is eventualy going to be a best-seller isn't it
― NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Monday, 20 August 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
Wow. http://weirdtalesmagazine.com/2012/08/20/a-message-from-the-publisher/
I would like to tell our community that Weird Tales will NOT be running an excerpt from Victoria Foyt's novel in our upcoming issue.Marvin Kaye is our editor and has full control over fiction published in the magazine and website, and he agrees with me on this.Marvin was approached by Victoria Foyt, and was asked to review her novel. He was told that she was being slammed online by people who had not read it.I have not read the novel, but have gone over its online presence today. I have no need to read it. I saw the blackface video and read the excerpts the author and publisher chose to make available. I must conclude that the use of the powerful symbols of white people forced to wear blackface to escape the sun, white women lusting after black "beast men," the "pearls" and "coals," etc., is goddamned ridiculous and offensive. It seems like the work of someone who does not understand the power of what she is playing with.Marvin says if you read the whole book, she explains her use of this imagery, and it ends up as a plea for tolerance. I say, so what. And that is the position of Weird Tales - and upon reviewing the video and other materials, Marvin is in full agreement.I deeply apologize to all who were offended by our association with this book. I am offended by it. I fully respect those who have been writing negative things about us today. You are correct.I have removed Marvin's endorsement because he no longer stands by it. Marvin is traveling and will make his own statement shortly.
Marvin Kaye is our editor and has full control over fiction published in the magazine and website, and he agrees with me on this.
Marvin was approached by Victoria Foyt, and was asked to review her novel. He was told that she was being slammed online by people who had not read it.
I have not read the novel, but have gone over its online presence today. I have no need to read it. I saw the blackface video and read the excerpts the author and publisher chose to make available. I must conclude that the use of the powerful symbols of white people forced to wear blackface to escape the sun, white women lusting after black "beast men," the "pearls" and "coals," etc., is goddamned ridiculous and offensive. It seems like the work of someone who does not understand the power of what she is playing with.
Marvin says if you read the whole book, she explains her use of this imagery, and it ends up as a plea for tolerance. I say, so what. And that is the position of Weird Tales - and upon reviewing the video and other materials, Marvin is in full agreement.
I deeply apologize to all who were offended by our association with this book. I am offended by it. I fully respect those who have been writing negative things about us today. You are correct.
I have removed Marvin's endorsement because he no longer stands by it. Marvin is traveling and will make his own statement shortly.
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
wow is right
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
Somebody's livid at somebody, that's for sure.
― "Pffft" --buddha (silby), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 01:12 (eleven years ago) link
gotta admit my first impulse is to subscribe
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link
i still dont understand why anyone cares about this? is this like the book world V-Nasty?
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:25 (eleven years ago) link
Nobody idiot says something racist, internet explodes
except at the moment isn't it more like, respected science fiction magazine plans to publish racist idiot, science fiction world explodes?
― 1staethyr, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:29 (eleven years ago) link
uh yeah
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:30 (eleven years ago) link
they didnt though
he wrote a huge missive about why they werent gonna publish an except from some self released book
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:31 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but that was after everyone already exploded
― 1staethyr, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:31 (eleven years ago) link
Marvin was approached by Victoria Foyt, and was asked to review her novel.
like i should write angry letters about every unsolicited demo i get?
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:32 (eleven years ago) link
All of this would be just another internet firestorm about somebody being an idiot — except that Weird Tales Magazine, one of the most venerable speculative fiction magazines in the world, decided to reprint the first chapter of Saving the Pearls in its next issue. And Weird Tales editor Marvin Kaye, who took over the magazine from the Hugo Award-winning team of Ann VanderMeer and Stephen Segal last year, wrote a blog post defending the book:
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:33 (eleven years ago) link
oh i see
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:35 (eleven years ago) link
haha yeah those blue things are links to other websites sometimes w/ more information
― 1staethyr, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:37 (eleven years ago) link
i read this thing like four times
http://weirdtalesmagazine.com/2012/08/20/a-message-from-the-publisher/
and didnt get the backstory
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:37 (eleven years ago) link
oh the io9 post detailing the original controversy is in phil d's post upthread
― 1staethyr, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 04:39 (eleven years ago) link
I hope you are in a receptive mood. Thanks very much for placing within me the bomb that never stops exploding. Though the benefits have been intangible and in fact I feel that this terrifying mechanism has generally made my life intolerable, I shall never ask you to reverse the situation.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 05:17 (eleven years ago) link
― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:25 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Eh I think she's actually been published at least as many times as you have and is married to one (1) more famous film director than you are, so "nobody" is being a bit thick here as well.
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 10:54 (eleven years ago) link
the use of "goddamned" in that editor's note cracks me up for some reason
― Shameful Dead Half Choogle (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
me too actually, very cranky
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
has Marvin Kaye's followup statement appeared yet
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
My white math teacher says "fo sho" a lot.
― windjamm voyager (blank), Friday, 24 August 2012 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
He really likes Dave Chapelle
― windjamm voyager (blank), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
He has an enormous shoulder chip
― windjamm voyager (blank), Friday, 24 August 2012 03:04 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/asian-woman-dating-asian-men-jenny-an
― jack chick-fil-A (dayo), Friday, 31 August 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link