Taylor Swift - RED - October 22

"we are never getting back together.... like ever"

u missed the climb?

I think Miley Cyrus's new haircut is a more exciting development than this new Taylor Swift single.

I just now saw Miley's haircut (I've been busy). It and this song are an even match.

if you didn't hear miley's occupy song you missed out

"Batshit crazy, the foam clog tycoon said" sounds like a Beck lyric.

thank you lex. I nearly spit mtn dew, etc.

xps: the last miley song I heard was party in the u.s.a. God, was that really two years ago?

― spanky hotel frogstrot (how's life), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 1:03 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

no, 3 years ago!

I think the talky bit comes off as too mean girl, which I realize has always been a huge part of Taylor's persona. But for some reason that talky bit pushes this song into "Picture to Burn" territory for me, and I don't think its a good look. Maybe its because she's such a big star now. Her being a big star is also why I am disappointed by this seemingly by the numbers pop song. I'm afraid the album is going to be similar and isn't going to be, like, her response album to Joni Mitchell's Blue or anything. I know that is a stupid thing to hope for though.

i didn't get the Joni connection, good catch

I mean, there were all the Joni quotes up and down her arms all tour, right?

I like this song fine on one listen, can't tell yet if I like it like it. I can see generic hooky pop being a concern, but my bigger fear (prompted somewhat by her Civil Wars collab) is a turn toward snoozy adult-contemporary. So if she's erring on the side of Pop, that seems preferable.

where's the country version? i can't find it.

http://tasteofcountry.com/taylor-swift-we-are-never-ever-getting-back-together/

xxxp I assume that she didn't have Joni Mitchell quotes up and down her arm, right? I have no idea. But seeing the album cover its the first thing I thought of. Then I heard the single, and realized its not a good connection to make, but it was fun to think about for like 30 minutes.

i thought about joni too re: the title

goddamn forgot to ask her people about it today though, ugh @ me

(not just joni: "blue" kinda signifies lots of ~classic albums~ to me)

I thought about that movie with Bruce Willis and Helen Mirren, but I'm not a Joni fan and "Blue" didn't immediately come to mind.

http://tasteofcountry.com/taylor-swift-arm-lyrics/

okay, it wasn't just Joni...

idk if it's looking into it too much seeing similarities in their album covers as well - both looking down in the shadows.

Has she referred much to Joni before in her work? I've always heard the opening lines of "A Case of You" in those of "Tim McGraw".

she was in talks to play joni in a biopic recently iirc?

OH MY GOODNESS. I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER ABOUT THIS SONG NOW.

This Country MIx.

Adding the guitar chords to the thumpa thumpa Max Martin drums makes ~all~ the difference.

ha re: Joni I immediately thought of King Crimson

I immediately thought of digital cameras, retired assasins, and the fight against AIDs.

xxxxxxp to how's life: oh she did have Joni quotes on her arms. I thought that comment was just making fun of me for expecting something like Joni Mitchell. I shouldn't be so defensive and sensitive, thats why I lurk so much.

and 16 songs is a lot of songs so... who knows? I do like this song better than Safe & Sound.

Country Mix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn4991lPMjg

the country mix is preferable to me but still just ok.

"safe & sound" never gave me the idea that she would 'go adult contemporary' or even that it was ac. but what do i know, i guess i have a higher tolerance for that stuff than many do

Nabisco speaks

https://twitter.com/ntabebe/status/235449124793753600

t-swift critics are gonna have to make their minds up whether they're charging her with selling a princessy happy-ever-after fairytale to impressionable young women or constantly whining about her awful relationships at some point

"why's she always SHRIEKING ON about HOW AWFUL MEN ARE" was what i constantly heard from male critics back in the 90s about tori, fiona, alanis et al btw, the answer was and continues to be BECAUSE YOU ARE AWFUL

a princessy happy-ever-after fairytale

Still say this is a legit criticism when she literally dresses like a princess and flies at her concerts.

Honest question, given how many relationships were allegedly behind the last record, who has she been dating/breaking up with the meantime?

I dunno, guys, she could have been using her imagination all those times.

she...doesn't literally fly at her concerts

i mean, if that's something else london missed out on, i'm well jel

she's dating a kennedy and i have to be honest you guys I AM WORRIED FOR HER

xposts

Oh yeah, the "original" mix helps the song a lot. Hope that's the album version.

And in re nabisco, do we really need to make a list of all of the people who've spent entire careers writing songs about relationship problems?

jake gyllenhaal, that blonde guy from glee with the big lips

don't most male songwriters blame women just as much? like most people want to look the good one in break-up situations, and taylor's critisized herself more than most

it kind of feels like "blaming men" as a thing that female songwriters do has actually largely been erased from mainstream pop culture outside of r&b

This is where a lifetime of hardly paying attention to lyrics means I have no dog in this fight, thankfully.

so glad Stevie Nicks and Joni Mitchell didn't write songs about their terrible relationships

xpost OK, she didn't "literally" fly, but she was dressed as a princess and lofted into the air on a floating balcony. Close enough, says I.

"why's she always SHRIEKING ON about HOW AWFUL MEN ARE" was what i constantly heard from male critics back in the 90s about tori, fiona, alanis et al btw, the answer was and continues to be BECAUSE YOU ARE AWFUL

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:11 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

don't you mean "we"?

Don't mind me, just playin' princess:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5-WyxaCqHds/Te0oQmgogDI/AAAAAAAAEY8/sCBa80_t1Vw/s1600/DSCN1691.JPG

this is fucking terrible you guys

like, this is even beyond the level of "not my thing but at least it's written well" where I grudgingly afford Taylor some measure of respect, given that I think she can't sing a fucking note

I wish this song was a person that I could drive out to a cornfield and abandon next to the Jeepers Creepers scarecrow

Why you gotta be so mean?

at some point I'm going to record some kewpie-doll chirpy teenager singing a song titled "I Got My Period (So My Boyfriend Dumped Me ;_;)" and you guys will go apeshit for it

time's a'wastin'

The subject isn't the problem: the singing is overemphatic and flat, and the treatment is way too cute.